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[–] Angry_fapkin 5 points 37 points (+42|-5) ago 

I could literally give two shits how many people attend my funeral. I'll be dead...

Also, Thomas Paine was a woke mother fucker.

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[–] Eualos 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

What does woke mean...

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[–] Angry_fapkin 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

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[–] smokratez 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

It's a nigger term for red pilled.

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[–] massiveprivilege 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I think it means "not asleep"

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[–] Apathy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Seeing the truth.

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[–] Seeker74 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Hear fuckin hear!!!

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[–] PIcasso54 6 points 15 points (+21|-6) ago  (edited ago)

False, he said "all religious institutes" we're set to terrify and enslave. He was a staunch supporter of every man's right to choose his own path. He was also a devout Christian Deist, if any of you have ever actually read his works.

EDIT: he refers a LOT to the bible and God's word in "Common Sense", a book which influenced our founding fathers and captures the ideas that started two civil wars.

He is even quoted saying, "I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life."

"The opinions I have advanced ... are the effect of the most clear and long-established conviction that the Bible and the Testament are impositions upon the world, that the fall of man, the account of Jesus Christ being the Son of God, and of his dying to appease the wrath of God, and of salvation, by that strange means, are all fabulous inventions, dishonorable to the wisdom and power of the Almighty; that the only true religion is Deism, by which I then meant, and mean now, the belief of one God, and an imitation of his moral character, or the practice of what are called moral virtues – and that it was upon this only (so far as religion is concerned) that I rested all my hopes of happiness hereafter. So say I now – and so help me God."

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[–] warthawg69 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

You say he was a devout Christian, but by the quote he says he doesn't believe Jesus is the son of God. He does say he is a Diest.

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[–] PIcasso54 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

His early life, which constituted most of his works, reflect his belief in Christ and God. He later deteriorates into somewhat of an anarchist, which is what made him against all organized religion and the pretext they are based upon as well.

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[–] rwbj 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I don't even... That entire paragraph you quoted is him specifically saying that Christianity is a fake religion.

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[–] PIcasso54 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Fixed it.

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[–] el_oh_el 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Interesting that you chastise people not reading his work when you clearly have not even read that which you copy and paste. But what I find even more concerning is the people that upvoat you, clearly not having read past the first line, or if they have, not understood it. You tarnish the legacy of those who have died by misrepresenting them. I implore you to read Paine More carefully and stop perpetuating falsehoods.

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[–] GreasyButteryBody 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

He has also said so much more, one of my favorites

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[–] greycloud 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

the truth is often unpopular. people like to ignore things that go against their brainwashing. its hard to get them to think critically about these things.

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[–] hunter3 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

the link that the wikipage cites reports more than 6 people

http://thomaspaine.org/aboutpaine/life-of-thomas-paine-vol-ii-by-moncure-conway.html

"Extract of a letter dated June 20th, Philadelphia, written by a gentleman lately returned from a tour: `On my return from my journey, when I arrived near Harlem, on York island, I met the funeral of Tom Paine on the road. It was going on to East Chester. The followers were two negroes, the next a carriage with six drunken Irishmen, then a riding chair with two men in it, one of whom was asleep, and then an Irish Quaker on horseback. I stopped my sulkey to ask the Quaker what funeral it was; he said it was Paine, and that his friends as well as his enemies were all glad that he was gone, for he had tired his friends out by his intemperance and frailties. I told him that Paine had done a great deal of mischief in the world, and that, if there was any purgatory, he certainly would have a good share of it before the devil would let him go. The Quaker replied, he would sooner take his chance with Paine than any man in New York, on that score. He then put his horse on a trot, and left me.' "

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[–] Gorillion 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Negroes and Irishmen didn't fulfill the definition of a whole person back in dem days.

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[–] hunter3 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

they are "persons" today, and "people" in any time

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[–] jaceame 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Wait you consider the irish people?

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[–] EarlPoncho 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

"I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life."

-Thomas Paine

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[–] Saufsoldat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yes, he was a deist. Doesn't change the fact that he despised religion.

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[–] trollghost15 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

I don't know, I can't really imagine Buddhists enslaving people.

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[–] Hugh_G 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Mental and physical enslavement are different. Not by much, but different.

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[–] antiracistNew 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The whole point of Buddhism is mental liberation...

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[–] rwbj 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

I think we get this sort of myth of the noble savage with regards to religions we're not surrounded with. It's easy to see what a mockery Christianity has become when you're surrounded with Christians espousing those Christian values... or not. Yet live in a Buddhist country and they hold Christianity in a similarly high regard as we might hold Buddhism - like some untarnished and 'real' religion. The reality of it though is a different story, as always.

One thing everybody knows of Buddhism is that your actions in this life determine your place in the next life. Live a good life, do good things, and you'll be rewarded with a better place in the next life. Sounds awesome. How could such a thing go wrong? We always find a way. What's the corollary of that tenet? If you're in a bad place in this life, you must have been a really shitty person in a past life. Suddenly you get massive racism and classism. You'll literally have people -devout Buddhists- snickering at poor people, cripples, etc.. because when you twist this tenet of the religion suddenly they deserve all their suffering so it's kind of like schadenfreude in their mind.

In general religion is just globally idiotic. Anytime you give people a 'divine truth' they're going to find a way to do bad things with it. And it's so bizarre too, I think most people are naturally good - empathetic and kind. Religion ironically turns us against that nature in so many ways because we're led to believe we should act not in accordance with our morality, but by the morality handed down by books written hundreds to thousands of years ago by probable psychotics. Seriously, think of the story of Abraham - the namesake of all Abrahamic religions: Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc. Voices in Abraham's head, "God", told him to murder his son. He didn't hesitate and had his son strung up and ready to slice and dice until more voices in his head told him, "Nah - was just making sure you would. You can let him live." That is not sane. Thinking this is a nice fable to share is even more insane.

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[–] trollghost15 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I think it's important to distinguish organised religion and personal religion.

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[–] FreeAgain 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Not Buddhists but Buddhism. Buddhists are the slaves. The primary victim to any religion are its own followers.

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[–] trollghost15 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Only if they let it enslave them.

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[–] antiracistNew 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

... The whole point of Buddhism is mental liberation...

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[–] pitenius 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

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[–] Prophet_60091_ 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago 

And the fact that so few people were at the funeral means what? That what Thomas Paine said wasn't true and that there's a single creator of all of existence who is not bound by the laws of that existence and who, despite the vast, almost unimaginable scale of that existence that we can now observe, decided to zoom into this particular planet 2000 years ago and plant an avatar of himself among a group of illeterate goat hearders in the desert to propagate his message to the rest of this planet? Because that's a hell of a lot to swallow.

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