I had a good discussion with middle yesterday and it's important enough to highlight in a post.
Here is how hate is the truest expression of love:
If you have kids, you love your kids and want to keep them protected, which means that you don't just open your house up to every single random person that shows up claiming he has a van is full of candy and do the kids want some? By definition of being a parent you bare the responsibility of hating strangers because of love to your family.
In other words you can not have Love without setting boundaries, laws and morality, and you can't have boundaries, laws and morality without having hate for those that break it.
We have been brainwashed to think that "hate" is evil when it's not. The opposite of Love is not hate it's indifference, the moslems who beheaded those two girls didn't hate them, they were indifferent as they calmly beaded them. The hate you felt watching the video (and you should watch it if you haven't) is love and compassion for those women because you have a set of morals and ethics that they--the Moslem broke.
For those that have the opportunity to watch those beheadings and haven't, you have no right to an opinion and say that Hate is NOT the True expression of Love because you are a coward and neither understand love, nor compassion, nor empathy.
I hope you watch the video @middle_path that I linked above
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[–] middle_path 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Native, you're grasping at straws here. It's ok that we disagree on this.
Here's the shitty part - I understand the motives behind the people doing the beheadings. I don't condone them, I don't like it, and it should stop. But if you were raised the way these people were raised you would grow up the similar radical beleifs and possibly do the same thing. We're all products of our environment. That being said, these men are fully responsible for their actions.
But let's flip this. Is their hate for westerners the truest expression of love?
[–] NotHereForPizza ago
The truth entices a moral society. When exposed to the truth, the dark underbelly of human nature is revealed to us, and we shed the shadow of deception that looms over us. The truth is important for these reasons and many others.
The definition of "love" here is rather vague, as OP utilizes a form of the definition that ventures past its typical dictionary explanation. Seems a bit out there for me, but it's easy to see where OP is coming from.
Native essentially claims that we need to see these truths in order to realize the true potentials of evil, as truth carries no discrimination for what people deem pleasant or not. You, on the other hand, seem simply to not want people to watch this.
To be sheltered from the truth is to live in ignorance, which deteriorates our perspective of how things should be. Without the knowledge of the truth, we are doomed to live beneath the foot of its captor.
Anyway, Native's quote: "Hate is the truest expression of love." makes sense not because it logically follows, but because being capable of expressing hate denotes the presence of love. See, a child's mother wouldn't never have hated with such fervor if not for a threat against her child. She needs to have love in order to hate. The fact that you haven't deduced such yet tells me, more or less, that you're here to bitch about people finding out the truth about the world.
[–] Flirp ago (edited ago)
I would say their hate for westerners is a manufactured hate and they are blindly following it. When you're raised to believe your are a tree you might just believe it till death. It's when your higher IQ tells you this isn't the way to live is when you start to learn to hate logically. But we all know statistically that sand people and jungle dopes are not genetically smart. So they beat sticks thinking they're right all the time and pass that to their kids. I didn't watch the video either because I don't like having that kind of evil rest in my head for not even a second. It's not good for the soul.
[–] Native [S] ago
Yes. Yes it is good for your soul. It forces you to live in reality and sheds all delusions in life. You actually protect your soul more when you force yourself to realize that horrors and evil exist. And a life can be taken calmly. Y evil people.
[–] middle_path 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago
I would argue most hate is learned, very little is true and self directed.
On "believing you're a tree" - here's an excerpt from Prometheus Rising.
[–] Native [S] ago
Why won't you watch the video?
[–] middle_path ago (edited ago)
Why won't you answer my question?
Sorry, dude. I've seen too many beheading videos in my life. Don't care to see another. Spoiler alter - she loses her head.
If you have to constantly reference a video instead of defending your own argument (which was actually that of another author yesterday, not you) then you're pretty worthless and your "serious discussion only" criteria has already failed.