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[–] BLOODandHONOUR 1 points 21 points (+22|-1) ago 

Actually the cultural collapse starts earlier, particularly with the societal acceptance of homosexuality and then earlier with the decline of the family structure and morality. The collapse has started years ago. We are simply watching it fall.

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[–] ardvarcus 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

It began in the 1960s with the beat culture. That transitioned into the hippie culture of the late 1960s, which gave birth to runaway pornography and feminism. After that it was all downhill to the present mess.

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[–] acheron2012 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The 1960s, specifically 1968, were just a very visible tipping point -- an opportunity missed for correction.

We can follow the chain of civilization destroying decisions back quite a bit further than that. Certainly the first FATAL blow was WW II. Forcing women to work outside the home opened a now demostatably unsustainable alternative way to structure society.

Further back than that we would have to examine giving women the right to vote. A right that has been catastrophically abused from its very inception.

So there is plenty of blame to go around before we get to the delusional children we can name Generation Zero of the (now discredited) experiment of having the government raise your children.

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[–] vastrightwing 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Exactly! But if you were born in the 80s, that seemed normal.

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[–] patriot_biz 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Naw. Homosexuals had rights in ancient Greece. Then they lost them. Then they gained them back, then they lost them. Now they have them back I'd guess. But with any luck, they will again loose them.

Tolerance was our weak point.

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[–] ardvarcus 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

To see where Western civilization is headed, all anyone needs to do is look at ancient Rome. We are repeating the mistakes of the Romans.

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[–] ardvarcus 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

It's true the fall of Rome didn't happen overnight, but there were incidents that did occur overnight in the course of that long decline, and some of them were bad, bad, bad.

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[–] White-Supremacist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

https://youtu.be/pzeHpf3OYQY?t=9174 This entire bit is worth a watch, but just this few minutes summarizes much pretty well. It defines these questions and suggests answers, but it seems the ultimate answer is religious faith and unity within. I have ideas upon which to build towards that.

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[–] YouveSeenTheButcher 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Did the Romans have an ancient civilization to look back on to see where they were headed?

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[–] WD_Pelley 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I do remember reading one story about how a Roman general, upon seeing the destruction of Carthage, cried for them. When asked why he said that the same fate could very well happen to Rome; Carthage was a powerful empire and fell. Why is Rome immune? Why are we immune?

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[–] carnold03 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again. If this is correct, then the real question becomes, how much of it repeated faithfully before the pattern begins to change?

As Sun Tzu states in Chapter 3, Paragraph 18 of "The Art of War", "If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." Those of us newly arriving to this point must now scrutinize, question, and examine what we've been taught to believe what is our enemy before we can move forward against the threat.

Can we turn the decline around?

Yes, once we understand the variable factoring its occurrence and development. We could potentially begin to reverse it, but a sharp sudden stop with immediate reversals need to be put out of your mind.

Should red pill men be preparing to be part of the new?

The new what?

Should Red Pill Men physically leave their old, decaying society for a place where masculinity is rewarded?

Is it masculinity that is rewarded or accomplishment and productivity?

Perhaps even to return once the collapse happens in their homeland?

A tactical retreat is sound, but consider this. The final collapse of a civilization is comparable to the aftermath of a hurricane in the Caribbean, but without any parent nations support to fall back on. You'd have power outages, food, and fuel depot closures. Transportation hubs and arteries clogged with debris. Ports of entry damaged and potentially inoperable. Limited law enforcement, emergency responders, and support personnel availability, presence, and capability. Prisons, medical facilities, nursing, and group homes in distress. To say nothing, of the inevitable spike in civil unrest when hostile elements amongst the civilian populace choose to exploit the situation. If you can't imagine that, then look up the collapse of Yugoslavia.

Where on Earth could red pilled folks possibly retreat to that a feared global collapse wouldn't inevitably follow?

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[–] hels 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

This is why there are very strong prepper communities. No one can predict when/how/where the collapse will be and what it will entail. The simplest solutions are to have a 'bugout location' outside of a city and as much food/water/fuel/supplies etc. possible. As well, you do not let anyone know about your preps except those who will be with you.

Many predict 2-3 months until stabilization occurs and society will begin to rebuild. A lot of people predict precious metals to be the primary currency. Martial Law will have been imposed from day 1 but the survivors will be more civil and less barbaric. Your best chances from day 1 to rebuilding is to look poor, act poor and show as little as possible.

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[–] carnold03 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

You forget the most unpredictable element in this equation of another collapse in the western world, Islam. Especially given how far it's been implanted in every single western country by traitors in the government and their agents. Before Islam, all a person in a western country would need to do is get off the grid, build a water well, rain catchment system, stock medicine, seed, and fuel ahead of time, and they'd be relatively ok. Muslims, like most third worlders, don't play nice with others, and this creates a predictably volatile element most westerners will inevitably have to remove with extreme prejudice. This unfortunately means, that short of a biochem/nuclear attack from a foreign nation, bugging out is no longer a viable option anymore.

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[–] ardvarcus 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Those of us newly arriving to this point must now scrutinize, question, and examine what we've been taught to believe what is our enemy before we can move forward against the threat.

The big stumbling block we face in dealing with our present problem is that the Jews in control of our media have brainwashed the minds of the public to such an extent that most people can't even confront the reality of our situation. If we, as a people, cannot admit the true causes of the problem, we can never arrive at a solution. We will forever be debating the wrong issues, addressing matters that don't really matter. And that's where we are today.

Our problem is that we are facing white genocide. The demographic shift had been driven by many factors, but most prominent among them is the deliberate attack on white Christianity by Jews. The Jewish control of the media has allowed the Jews to brainwash whites into hating themselves and their own race and culture. It has allowed them to convince whites not to have children, and not to get married and raise families. Jews are at the root of the malaise of the West. Jews are terrified of whites, so they are trying to castrate the white race, and they are succeeding. It will, of course, result in the destruction of Jews as well as whites, but Jews do not appear to comprehend this, or maybe just don't want to believe it. As the white race goes, so goes Western civilization, which is Christian civilization and white civilization.

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[–] carnold03 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Which Jews? Jews as a whole, Sabbath observing religious Jews, or secular Jews?

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[–] CaptainXorro 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Antarctica?

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[–] Dismal_Swamp 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Damn right, we'll build an impenetrable Shangri-la under the ice! A hidden Kekbunker that will last a thousand years...

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[–] carnold03 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

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[–] boogieboogie 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I mean, where are we gonna go? I would love to have a different culture and I think we are fighting for that now with Trump (although it isn't going as fast as some would like). I don't think running away is the answer, it might be a solution, but not a final solution for our lifetime. If we leave it will continue and maaaaybe our grandkids could try to start over. If Trump fails, I think we need to stand our ground and start taking it back.

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[–] middle_path 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

given the obvious signs of our society's decline . . . can it be turned around?

Not to be a pessimist, but I don't think so. It's going to take a lot to turn this bull around and unless we resort to tactics other use against us, like silencing dissenters (which I am firmly against), then we will just have to see where this goes and defend our values along the way.

Be strong, stay healthy, educate yourself, have a family, be a good father/mother, stem the tide.

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[–] basedputin 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

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[–] derram 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=I8BRdwgPChQ | https://www.hooktube.com/embed/I8BRdwgPChQ :

Lesson from History: Transgender Mania is Sign of Cultural Collapse - Camille Paglia - YouTube

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=v-hIVnmUdXM | https://www.hooktube.com/embed/v-hIVnmUdXM :

Modern Times: Camille Paglia & Jordan B Peterson - YouTube

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[–] cdglow 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

There are a lot of interesting books on collapses of once seemingly indestructible empires (search a bookstore for Fate of Empires and look through the related books), but the common thread always seems to be moral degeneracy. Women running wild, youth playing what was considered "obscene" music, deviant sexual stuff.

And I think we're nowhere near rock bottom yet, which is kind of crazy to think about.

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[–] 0rion 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

We are a lot like the Weimar Republic in the 1920's-30's in terms of the degeneracy. We all know what came next..and that gives me faith for our situation too.

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