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"♦ Robert Mueller was dirty. Rod Rosenstein was dirty. All of the special counsel lawyers including Andrew Weissmann and Brandon Van Grack (Flynn prosecutor) are dirty. Additionally Mueller’s lead FBI Agent David Archey, who was promoted after the corrupt special counsel investigation to be the head of the Virginia FBI field office, dirty.
FBI official David Archey, like ICIG Michael Atkinson, conveniently put into a place where he can run cover for FBI operations that might expose dirty DC and Virgina-based FBI activities. See how that works?
Try telling me with all we know about the Mueller investigation how anyone on the special counsel assignment was participating in a fraudulent investigation without knowing.
Special Agent Peter Strzok, dirty. FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith, dirty. FBI Lawyer Lisa Page, dirty. FBI media spox Michael Kortan, dirty. James Comey, Andrew McCabe and James Baker, dirty-dirty-dirty. Fortunately all of these are fired… but what about Supervisory Special Agent Joseph Pientka (SSA1)? Pientka clearly outlined as dirty by IG Horowitz report on FISA abuse, and yet still employed; still providing cover.
So what exactly does that make Horowitz? Perhaps lead corruption polisher who comes in willfully blind behind the Bondo application team?
That, all of that, in its brutal totality, is why we have not seen any honest FBI whistle-blowers come forward.
There’s no-one for them to blow the whistle to…"
All of this is sad but true. One wonders if it can ever be fixed. It may have to be completely dismantled, along with C_A and other redundant intelligence agencies, and replace them with something new. I really do not see how we can continue with more of the same. We need to kill the beast completely. We must begin turning this ship around by cleaning up the Justice system - this means the courts, investigation, and intelligence. This is why there have been no high profile arrests. To arrest someone with influence and pull without cleaning up our Justice system first will only allow them to walk away and destroy our chances of changing public opinion. This is a slow and methodical process. But it is moving forward.
Real whistleblowers are required to report through a hierarchy of supervisors. Think how effective that is (not.) Upper level puts pressure on lower levels to shut the person up. This usually involves write-ups for minor (or even nonexistent) "infractions." The goal is to make the wb so miserable, they're forced to resign. It also involves segregating them from other staff, either by telling staff not to interact with them or by literally placing the wb in an isolated location - picture a folding table on another floor that's used for storage.) The merit systems process is stacked against them - basically providing free legal representation to the wb supervisors while the wb incurs costly legal expenses. There is NO such thing as wb protection. None.
And that's only the beginning. As you imply, it can get much worse.
[–]docksofthebay[S]0 points
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DS has control of the Administration's bureaucracy and cannot be 'fixed' ... too deep and broad. People forced to leave (fired or retired) are only replaced with more of the same. Consequently, it cannot be 'self cleaned'.
That leaves Q-team with one alternative when the time is right.
Time will be right went CJ Roberts sets down or is removed is my guess..
FTA: "To understand why there’s no-one in the administrative mid-tier of the FBI acting in a whistle-blowing capacity requires a background perspective looking at the totality of corruption. The institutions are protecting themselves; and yes, that protection applies to the internal dynamics."
How do you advise it be done by now given the DS controlling the Administration Senior Executive Service (SES) leadership positions and key judiciary judgeships? Just wondering.
Trump can put his guy in charge of the FBI and that person can clean house there. The SES May be hard to fire but they aren’t hard to reassign away from important work.
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[–] numina18 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
There are no whistleblowers because they understand to do that means instant death.
[–] mac1221 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
"♦ Robert Mueller was dirty. Rod Rosenstein was dirty. All of the special counsel lawyers including Andrew Weissmann and Brandon Van Grack (Flynn prosecutor) are dirty. Additionally Mueller’s lead FBI Agent David Archey, who was promoted after the corrupt special counsel investigation to be the head of the Virginia FBI field office, dirty.
FBI official David Archey, like ICIG Michael Atkinson, conveniently put into a place where he can run cover for FBI operations that might expose dirty DC and Virgina-based FBI activities. See how that works?
Try telling me with all we know about the Mueller investigation how anyone on the special counsel assignment was participating in a fraudulent investigation without knowing.
Special Agent Peter Strzok, dirty. FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith, dirty. FBI Lawyer Lisa Page, dirty. FBI media spox Michael Kortan, dirty. James Comey, Andrew McCabe and James Baker, dirty-dirty-dirty. Fortunately all of these are fired… but what about Supervisory Special Agent Joseph Pientka (SSA1)? Pientka clearly outlined as dirty by IG Horowitz report on FISA abuse, and yet still employed; still providing cover.
So what exactly does that make Horowitz? Perhaps lead corruption polisher who comes in willfully blind behind the Bondo application team?
That, all of that, in its brutal totality, is why we have not seen any honest FBI whistle-blowers come forward.
There’s no-one for them to blow the whistle to…"
All of this is sad but true. One wonders if it can ever be fixed. It may have to be completely dismantled, along with C_A and other redundant intelligence agencies, and replace them with something new. I really do not see how we can continue with more of the same. We need to kill the beast completely. We must begin turning this ship around by cleaning up the Justice system - this means the courts, investigation, and intelligence. This is why there have been no high profile arrests. To arrest someone with influence and pull without cleaning up our Justice system first will only allow them to walk away and destroy our chances of changing public opinion. This is a slow and methodical process. But it is moving forward.
[–] POdPatriot ago
Agree - and we're running out of time. If not accomplished under Trump, it never will be.
[–] mac1221 ago
I hear you Patriot.
[–] Harpfor7 1 point 1 point 2 points (+2|-1) ago
Reprisal is real. Imagine being a whistleblower against an organization that can take EVERYTHING you have. Accidents happen.
[–] POdPatriot ago
Yes. Ugly.
Real whistleblowers are required to report through a hierarchy of supervisors. Think how effective that is (not.) Upper level puts pressure on lower levels to shut the person up. This usually involves write-ups for minor (or even nonexistent) "infractions." The goal is to make the wb so miserable, they're forced to resign. It also involves segregating them from other staff, either by telling staff not to interact with them or by literally placing the wb in an isolated location - picture a folding table on another floor that's used for storage.) The merit systems process is stacked against them - basically providing free legal representation to the wb supervisors while the wb incurs costly legal expenses. There is NO such thing as wb protection. None.
And that's only the beginning. As you imply, it can get much worse.
[–] docksofthebay [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
DS has control of the Administration's bureaucracy and cannot be 'fixed' ... too deep and broad. People forced to leave (fired or retired) are only replaced with more of the same. Consequently, it cannot be 'self cleaned'.
That leaves Q-team with one alternative when the time is right.
Time will be right went CJ Roberts sets down or is removed is my guess..
[–] Manolis_Gledsodakis ago
Do you mean "steps down"? That's the usual phrase for someone who resigns whereas "sets down" is used for food trays.
[–] docksofthebay [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
FTA: "To understand why there’s no-one in the administrative mid-tier of the FBI acting in a whistle-blowing capacity requires a background perspective looking at the totality of corruption. The institutions are protecting themselves; and yes, that protection applies to the internal dynamics."
[–] SuckaFree ago
Who would willingly rat themselves out if they feel they'll never get caught?
[–] SK63 ago
I don't understand why Trump and Barr haven't cleaned this mess up by now.
[–] docksofthebay [S] ago
How do you advise it be done by now given the DS controlling the Administration Senior Executive Service (SES) leadership positions and key judiciary judgeships? Just wondering.
[–] SK63 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Trump can put his guy in charge of the FBI and that person can clean house there. The SES May be hard to fire but they aren’t hard to reassign away from important work.
[–] POdPatriot ago
It's WAY worse than this.