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[–] concentric0s 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'm sympathetic to your situation.

Consider yourself lucky that these people will engage in any debate with you. For many of us, our friends and aquaintances will not even communicate.

My recommendation is to stop trying to reason, convince, or talk sense into people. You don't try to reason with children who are having emotional meltdowns. The same applies here. These people exhibit all the signs of operating from emotionally charged states. One's brain can not function in a rational or effective manner in that condition. This is supported by real research.

The best you can do is calmly state that you don't agree and offer to explain your reasons if anyone cares to know why. In my experience no one will ask to know more.

Then you will know their posts are really about venting or virtue signaling -- not engaging in debate. And you would do well to treat them as such.

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[–] Publius1778 [S] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Well, I'm used to it. I don't mean it in a personal way. I've lived in NYC since 2004 and lived in the Boston area before that, been in the art world, then academia...

What I see is a microcosm of the state of a huge portion of our country. Totally in the dark. Will have to go slowly through the 6 stages of grief to realize the truth.

It will take a lot to bring these people into the light and they will just think we are being partisan assholes....lol.

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[–] letortfort 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's actually 5 stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance according to Elizabeth Kubler-Ross

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[–] concentric0s 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I mostly agree with you.

I too am nyc/nj and la based. What seems like 'everyone' to us may in fact only be a vocal minority. I base this though off the maps showing red counties and states across much US with blue on the coasts. I also have come to assume that people saying nothing political online are more conservative (or at least rational) and they don't participate because it is not socially stylish to do so in this pc era.

I agree that people in the dark. My challenge when people engaged with me over this Kavanaugh bru ha ha has been to ask people the basis of their opinion. All the angry people had not watched the testimonies, but instead are relying on partisan and biased coverage of the hearings. I encouraged people to warch both parties testify then get back to me. They either changed their support to K or at least agreed that things were not as one sided as they were lead to believe. I then asked people to extrapolate that manipulation times the thousands of issues and opinions they have formed (been given).

6 stages comment may not be too far off. My best effort will consist of being a stable source for info. And I will try my best not to gloat or say I told you so.

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