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[–] goodluvin 0 points 66 points (+66|-0) ago 

The arrogance of Microsoft managers is amazing.
Absolutely no concern about their user's perception of Microsoft.

If the user's have already blocked the updates,
what makes you think they are going to like this maneuver?

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[–] frenemy 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

it's part of believing in karma. everyone's getting what they deserve right now, basically.

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[–] BobOki 4 points 3 points (+7|-4) ago 

The Indian support you talk to is just contractors and they are customer facing only. All other tech work at MS is done by in-house employees, most of which are not H1bs. HCL, Infosys, and others pretty much only do the lower level phone support or call-in activation stuff, even their level 2 techs are not h1b.

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[–] 0x5f3759df 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I wonder if it's not desperation, rather than arrogance.

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[–] IdSay 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

are we really surprised? the first video the new ceo of microsoft, mr stereotypicalindiandude nahashapeemapetilon was literally him going "we don't care about the users, we must push push push, cause we know what's best for us".... at least the previous fuckface ceo knew how to keep up a public appearence, this guy is just hideous, inside AND outside...

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[–] drdeadringer 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Absolutely no concern about their user's perception of Microsoft.

When has Microsoft had any concern for their users' perceptions?

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[–] Kleyno 1 points 46 points (+47|-1) ago 

If anyone comes to me, asking if I can upgrade them to Windows 10, I just tell them I can already see everything they are doing on the network, and the last thing they want is for Microsoft to be able to see that, too.

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[–] Quawonk 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

And then MS sends it all down to their buddies at Big Brother. And I think we all know that.

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[–] NoRagrets 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Anyone asking you to upgrade their computer to Windows 10 doesn't give a shit that what they are doing can be seen because "I'm not doing anything wrong, I've got nothing to hide".

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[–] frenemy 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

just say 'when it starts taking pics of you through your own webcam, i'm sure that tune will change. the reload fee is $160. thank you for your patronage.'

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[–] frenemy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

i had a traffic sniffer setup at a corp office (under orders, normally it's only for testing) just scooping up everything. after a day i went to check it. there were so many plain text passwords, logins, names and birth dates that i immediately shut the software down and reported that it was not functional. way to much power for upper managers to get bored with.

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[–] Kleyno 1 points 25 points (+26|-1) ago 

What am I, their Mother? lol

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[–] skidmark-steve 1 points 14 points (+15|-1) ago 

Google, Facebook, Twitter, Android, etc... do not cost $100. That's what Windows 10 costs if you're building a computer. Microsoft is attempting to double-dip and many of us are not going along with it.

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[–] binky_is_dead 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

If they all want to rape me that makes it okay.

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[–] 3dk 3 points 36 points (+39|-3) ago 

L I N U X

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[–] RunningShark 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

i wonder how a huge company would install linux in every pc

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[–] NoRagrets 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Next time you boot your corporate computer, press F12 to get to the boot device selection menu.
You'll notice one of the boot options is something like "Network Boot" or "PXE Boot".
That is a bootable image being presented on your corporate network by a server, it can contain any Operating System.
It's usually Windows but can also be a Linux image.

Most large companies will utilise this technology as reimaging a faulty computer is often much faster than diagnosing and fixing a problem that is happening on only a single device.

WARNING: If you do this and follow the steps to their conclusion it WILL wipe the data on your computer and install a new Operating System.

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[–] jinbnters 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Stacki or Spacewalk and then one of the many popular configuration management tools such as Ansible, Chef, Salt, Puppet, etc. That method might not be the best for desktops but this is great for servers. Other options are pure kickstart or preseed

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[–] 3dk 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Hire canonical and some tech monkeys: http://www.canonical.com/services

Not quite sure, but I think Red Hat offers something similar as well.

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[–] skidmark-steve 1 points 28 points (+29|-1) ago 

This is a good thing, because the more Microsoft annoys them, the more they're going to look at alternatives. Supposedly Chromebooks are becoming popular in schools.

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[–] Donbuster 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

On the contrary, it would surprise me if they don't. They are cheaper, and for the "I just need to check my email, run a powerpoint, and perhaps put the final touches on my TPS report while i'm away from my desk" type of employee, they are more than capable of of filling the roll currently dominated by the lenovo thinkpads and dell latitudes of the business world, all they need is better options for fleet management, akin to Microsoft's Group Policy manager, which, I might add, seems to be ignored by Microsoft itself whenever they feel like it, so even the requirements there become looser every day. As for workstations, Microsoft, like it or not, will remain the standard for businesses in the foreseeable future, and creative workstations will likely not deviate from the the model of: Windows (cheapo software)->mac (prosumer software)->windows (prosumer and professional software that can actually SCALE and is compatible with stuff)->Linux (with in house developed tools and software) OS progression that seems to be the rough norm in the creative world. Accounting, and other office jobs, though? Google sheets is overtaking excel quite quickly in popularity and functionality, especially in the small business space. If microsoft keeps pissing of the sysadmins of the world, and more importantly the future sysadmins currently stuck in the IT helldesk circuit, the next generation of businesses are going to be doing their damnedest to cut MS out.

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[–] dbag2070 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Neither us Linux. I work in the IT department of a retailer and there is zero willingness to move away from Ms. In fact we are moving to start using o365 and migration of our exchange is happening in the next few days :( personally I would rather move far, far away from Ms but it's not up to me.. I'm just a support monkey no one listens to

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[–] blahm3 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The place I am working at is starting to give folks a iPad Pro to replace laptops.

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[–] 0x5f3759df 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

At his point, you'd be better of moving your business to Red Star OS.

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[–] HayaBusey 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Some Voater not long ago was bragging about how safe and secure they are from using Red Star instead of Windows. Still not sure if they were a troll, or maybe an actual North Korean under orders to shill Glorious OS of Best Korea.

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[–] ElspethTirel 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Google, Apple, Microsoft...they are bags of fucking cocks.

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[–] Ghetto_Shitlord 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

MS actually gained in schools last year.

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[–] fagnig 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

The first hits free.

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[–] ilovepussy 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

As an IT Executive, Windows 10 is the most malicious malware I have encountered since the ILOVEYOU virus. I wouldn't install this junk on my worst enemy's computer.

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[–] valk2 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

If a system admin is using Win 10, they are doing it wrong. Any IT person with any type of experience knows better than to run the latest windows OS.

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[–] BobOki 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Always stay one generation away, or at least do not adopt at LEAST until the first service pack is released.

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[–] valk2 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

In the case of windows 10, the first service pack will be a suppository.

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[–] thrus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Problem is one os away is 8.1 and no one at a desk with a mouse wants that menu system. offer other options all you want the end user will still click on start to get to things.

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[–] frenemy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

wait at least a year since you've heard of problems on the new os. that still the rule of thumb? i have a feeling you might be waiting a while on this one. the updates are a nightmare. apparently i'm into pain, so i'm running it. steam is such an anchor to this os.

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[–] valk2 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I won't get windows 10 period. Dx12 be damned. That was the only reason to upgrade and since Vulkan's announcement there is no reason.

I got an untouched copy of Windows 8.1 pro SP1. Legit license. I know people hate 8 / 8.1 but I haven't had any issues.

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[–] redditor1255 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That isn't true at all. Enterprise versions of Windows have a great GUI based system to control a fleet of computers, and Windows is a great operating system from a user perspective.

Its just the overly-attatched updates thing that is frustrating right now.

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[–] valk2 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

There is no enterprise version of Windows 10 available currently that are RTM. There is just NOW as of TODAY an evaluation copy you can run as a DEV to test out possible issues.

Most end users don't have an enterprise OS nor do they need one.

The real power with Microsoft isn't GUI based, it is Powershell.

Microsoft cloud servers for email (AKA OFFICE 365) don't use a GUI interface, you have to know Powershell commands to do anything on them. Source: Former Microsoft Backend Exchange Engineer for BPOS-D/F (OFFICE 365 before the rebrand)

The upsetting thing about the updates is the fact you have no visibility into what they are sending to your machine, or what they might remove.

The GUI interface you're referring to I believe is Group Policy Management that you can use with their MMC. Windows 10 Home hides it, and can only be accessed with a work around. Windows 10 home is what most users are running.

So the cases in which your going to be using an Enterprise solution on a desktop OS is only if you need specific features, such Direct Access or VPN settings. The cost for the Enterprise version of any OS is expensive and most companies won't spend the money on it unless they need a specific capability.

I NEVER SAID THERE WAS ANYTHING WRONG WITH MICROSOFT WINDOWS Operating Systems. I said there is a huge issue with windows 10 as it isn't an OS at all. It is malware.

I am running windows 8.1 pro SP1. I talked ONLY about Windows 10 being bad. Not everything they offer.

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[–] 0x5f3759df 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I have very little confidence in any IT support workers who are not building and compiling their own OSs.

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[–] valk2 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

LOL. IT support workers are the lowest on the totem poll. Half the time they are reading from a script and using a playbook to answer any questions. When they can't get the answers from the book they send it up the totem poll to the "engineers". The only people who are building and compiling their on OS's are the backend Tier 3 engineers. Even then, they usually just go with some flavor of Linux and then modify it to their liking.

Never claimed to be an IT support worker, so I don't know whom you are referring to in this case.

I doubt there are very many users on voat who have the technical knowledge required to build an OS / or create a Linux kernel from scratch. Not to say there might not be a couple.

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[–] frenemy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

why? seems like a waste of time. an image and an md5 hash will accomplish the same thing. it not hard to compile it, just kinda pointless.

it support? I can. i'd rather work deployments and scheduled maintenance. answering the phone and googling is for the younger guys with less experience.

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[–] frenemy 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

if i were an enterprise sys admin there would be screaming over that idiocy. slipping fuck all knows what code unrelated to security through in security patches? fucked up. that's malware by definition.

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[–] fagnig 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

slipping fuck all knows what code unrelated to security through in security patches? fucked up.

It smells faintly of mob protection racket. "Nice enterprise you got there, would be a shame if anything were to, infect it..."

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[–] frenemy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

pretty much. now you're wide open day one of patch drop because you have no idea if the update actually fixes security. oh look, a 24 vector into every system on my network. yay! at this point i can't imagine not running network level security just to plug all the little leaks in my os. it constantly leaks data.

some of it's encrypted and i'd like to know what that's all about. a project for later.

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[–] Plant_Boy 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

God damn, Windows 10 is shit.

Been trying to install it on my 60GB SSD, upgrade from Win7. Win7 apparently uses 30GB of disc space. I've only got Network and Minimum graphics drivers installed, why the hell does my drive have 50GB of information???

Can somebody tell me how I might patch Dicks (read DX) 12 to Linux so I can use it with a more honest OS?

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[–] B3bomber 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Tell developers of games you will use Vulcan only and if they release it on DX they get $0 from you. Why buy something that won't run?

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[–] Plant_Boy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

That is a valid point!

I am not entirely computer inclined. How hard is it to convert from Vulcan to DX?

Is it like the difference between English and French in that there are some differences in grammar and the words are slightly different to form sentences? Ie, DX and Vulcan have a similar equations but they reference them differently and with a different grammatical structure?

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[–] Randomhandle 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

why such a tiny ssd?

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[–] Plant_Boy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Old SSD. Still works a charm though and until I have enough extra capital to purchase a new one, it'll have to do.

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