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[–] the-gerbil-in-my-bum 1 points 97 points (+98|-1) ago 

its amazing there are still people that dont know of paypals notorious for fuckery reputation.

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[–] Donttazemebro 1 points 27 points (+28|-1) ago 

Yeah I recently sold something on eBay, and the shit you go through to sell through them is awful. The fees are ridiculously high. A $275 sell quickly became $200. EBay has their fee, which you're required to use PayPal to have SOME seller protection. Then PayPal has a fee. They also won't give you the money for a few weeks unless the buyer confirms receiving the package. It's a racket. I'll never accept money through PayPal again. I used it for some purchases, but Im about to just close it all down. I'm starting to like cash purchases a lot more.

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[–] supercoolvoatuser 2 points 24 points (+26|-2) ago 

Ebay needs to die, It's like the comcast of ecommerce.

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[–] 3704221? 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

You need to sell a certain number of items + have 25(?) positive feedback ratings + have sold a sum of (I forget the amount) dollars worth in order to fuck it I'll just copy paste

To make sure everything looks good with your selling account, your funds are pending in PayPal for up to 21 days, until it’s been 90 days since your first successful sale, your seller level is Above Standard or higher, and you’ve had at least 25 selling transactions worth a combined $250.

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[–] Diggit 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Bitcoins

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[–] HeavyBeefCurtain 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

EatShitBay takes 10% on sales and PissPal 5% per transaction, if I remember correctly.

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[–] Vailx 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago 

its amazing there are still people that dont know of paypals notorious for fuckery reputation.

It's totally shocking. These guys even say "Yea, we heard stuff, but thought they had it worked out."

There's always a reason they give, but these shenanigans are UNIVERSAL. The moment anything that is controversial or interesting happens, they take donations with PayPal, they are immediately sunk. PayPal is a really easy vector to attack, in all cases.

Anyone doing anything of importance should never use PayPal. There will always be a delay or hitch. Always.

Instead try:
1)- Take a fucking check. Checks aren't instant, but if Your Enemies fuck with your bank somehow, you still have checks piling up for when you find a place that isn't totally owned.
2)- Take bitcoin. Or any of the other coins. These things are awful for other reasons, but if that's one way to get money, it's much better than not having PayPal.
3)- Wire transfers. They had these, but didn't get as many participants, because PayPal is much easier.
4)- Actually take credit cards like a normal place. This is a hassle, but it's what people want when they go to give money normally online.

The problem with PayPal is that everyone will use it, and then you'll have money, and PayPal will take it or hold it or whatever. It doesn't matter why they do it, all that matters is that they will.

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[–] tame 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

That's what I don't get, you hear about them pulling this shit all the time (often without any resolution, like they've literally just said "hey we don't like you so you can't have your money, ever") and yet people still keep using them.

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[–] wesmoc 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Problem is there really are no good easy alternatives:

  1. Who in the hell would take a check? Really?? Check forgery, bounced checks, etc, are so prevalent along with forged USPS money orders that it just isn't worth the risk..or time.

  2. Bitcoin is used by such a small percentage of the population, it is near worthless.

  3. Wire transfers are expensive for the consumer (big turn off), not just in $$ to pay for them but in time to go to the bank and arrange it.

  4. Taking credit cards directly is expensive. Not only is there a high dollar item investment for the equipment, but there is a high dollar item monthly fee on top of the 3% the credit card company slices off of the top.

Consumers want instant gratification. Credit cards are exactly that. For a place with limited money, the choices are extremely limited. PayPal is terrible, though, as they know there are the leader in their field and charge crazy fees.

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[–] collegetoker 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Honestly, bitcoin is a more reliable payment method: and that is saying something.

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[–] SteelKidney 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

There are more than a few alternatives to PayPal. It always amazes me to see people using it.

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[–] PuttItOut 0 points 42 points (+42|-0) ago 

@Atko and I love PayPal. /s

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[–] sergeantslate 3 points 42 points (+45|-3) ago 

Fuck Paypal. They try to act like a bank except have none of the regulations or responsibility as one.

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[–] ChaseWegman 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

If you ever mention the word bank in correspondence they will usually send you their bs about not being a bank. I would rather go through all the hassles of crypto currencies these days then use paypal.

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[–] SecularPenguinist 1 points 29 points (+30|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I'm going to be that guy.
Bitcoin is the answer.

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[–] Diggit 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

I remember when they were less than $20/coin.

I thought it was the dumbest shit ever at the time. Now... man. Fuck.

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[–] marvinrabbit 2 points 22 points (+24|-2) ago 

"...during all this, expecting PayPal to act in good faith..."

Yeah, I've never heard of this.

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[–] lbruiser 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

What do you use as an alternative?

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[–] PardiGras 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

If you're selling on ebay or any similar site just subtract PayPals fee from your desired price and offer that price in bitcoin in your description as an incentive

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[–] fatpeoplearegross 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

Might as well get off the internet because everyone does that whether they tell you or not. Applied for a loan? Credit card? Use Google?

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[–] MonitoredCitizen 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

"Why are they doing this to us?"

Because they are being told to. That phone will have decentralized encryption. Guess who will pull every dirty trick in the book to prevent that?

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[–] FriedFood100 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

That's what I was thinking. This phone doesn't seem as insecure as some would have it.

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