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[–] pipispapas 0 points 84 points (+84|-0) ago 

secret services were too busy analyzing shitty facebook photos and pornhub statistics

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[–] SecularPenguinist 0 points 33 points (+33|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You jest but there's some logic to this. Rather than focusing on more realistic vectors such as communications between suspect nations and monitoring jihadist forums but instead scooping up absolutely everything. Of course this was never about stopping terrorism in the first place.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_BOOBS2 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

In their defense if we could we would all probably analyze pornhub statistics.

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[–] AOU 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

So you want to be a pornhub web admin?

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[–] pyres 0 points 64 points (+64|-0) ago 

Using the above special techniques, they were able to fly under the radar.

Outlaw unencrypted, simple messaging NOW!

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[–] Rozekail 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Better yet, make it legal to intercept any and all text messages sent by anyone.

Oh wait

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[–] luckyguy 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

Actually that program ends this Sunday!! Courts ruled it unconstitutional which makes Snowden a legit whistle blower.

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[–] Gargilius 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The subject came up a few times already on voat, and I'll ask again: why would anyone be surprised? I mean, no need for high tech methods to set up a plan like this: stage one, agree ahead of time about what you want to do, in person, better yet, one to one meetings (plausible deniability, compartmentalization, all the good stuff of proper conspiracies), then stage two, synchronize the execution of the plan.

The SMS exchanged would look like this: "meet me at starbuck/library/foodcourt/school/after work?" (for stage one), then messages like that: "let's go to the concert / restaurant / stadium so and so tonight at 8"... (for stage two)

I mean, I have had exchanged far more numerous and suspicious messages amongst friends to just set up a lunch date.

How would you catch that? except perhaps if all the persons involved are known to be bad guys, but what do I know, I don't work in LE, but I thought that was why our various gvt agencies were collecting metadata all the time... doesn't seem to work all that well, does it?

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[–] Gamio 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

No one is saying they could have been caught via these text messages, were saying that spying on everyone at all times is not an effective way to count terrorism or crime. Bulk data collection is only ever useful after the fact but its incredibly useful to pad out the budget, maintain the pretense of usefulness and give pro authoritarian leaning elements of governments the tools to necessary to do what they want.

Someone justified the budget for mass surveillance, someone made the claim(s) about its usefulness, someone bid for the contract(s), and idiots around the world in positions of power and authority agreed to spend time and money spying on almost all of their population for no useful reason, The first thing that happened after the Paris attacks was claims that encryption made their job of protecting the populace impossible when its quite clear (and you pointed this out) that the whole system is about as effective a means to protect people as pissing on a volcano is to prevent an eruption.

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[–] escapefromredditbay 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

from what ive heard, yes, they did know these dudes were bad guys, and yet...

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[–] Abraham_Lincoln 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I think it is just a really shitty situation overall. They probably aren't lying when they say they knew that they were 'bad guys', but they also probably could do nothing about it because they wouldn't have any legal evidence or any evidence that they were conspiring to commit terror acts. So even if they did arrest them they could get them on weapons charges- then again they might only have the weapons right before the attack so you've got nothing. You'd really want to get them on conspiring because that charge carries a sentence as bad as the act itself, but there is nothing that can be done legally. The alternative to go full police state and just arrest them anyway and throw them in prison is of course also not good, so it is really a bad situation.

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[–] Gardmeria 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Eh, we knew the 9/11 morons were bad guys. We knew the virginia tech ass was a bad guy. We knew that caltech guy was boring and we knew Saddam, Osama, Assad and even Ghadafi were bad guys but yet we do nothing.

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[–] Johnny_Appleseed 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

From the article, WSJ is solid, the only thing weird that was done was one guy rented 3 cars on the same day.

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[–] baphometsrage 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Humans were planning complex battle strategies thousands of years before even the telegraph was invented, there's no reason to think technology has anything to do with like 8 guys getting together to murder people at the same time.

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[–] green_man 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

NO! Unencrypted communications that are all funneled through intelligence agencies is the answer! /S

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[–] kantskittens 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

that intelligence and law enforcement either can't or won't stop terrorist attacks

It's "can't".

The "won't" just wouldn't be possible in this context: There's hundreds, probably thousands, of people involved in the different stages of uncovering a "terrorist" plot, and just to illustrate:
from informants and those who directly handle them, you go up the chain in various embassies, information caches comes back to Washington and is read by dozens before they get anywhere important. Hundreds of people are involved collecting different bits of SIGINT intelligence which is passed along to hundreds of others who analyze them, where also a large number of different bits of intelligence will criss-cross between them. Those analyses are again read by hundreds before they get anywhere important.

There's just way too many people involved to make a "the government knew, but let them"-type conspiracy plausible in any way, at least when it comes to attacks against US service personnel or civilians, let along attacks on US soil..

And if it does happen, it's more likely the attack was chalked up as "lol no, using commercial airliners as missiles to attack NYC? that sounds too insane to be true" - or even more likely: that the information about the attack was still in the "being analyzed"-stage or in transit (Dec. 7, 1941) or anything similar, rather than on POTUS' desk and willfully ignored.. The government "knowing" something isn't an either/or scenario

However, the same can not be said for other conspiracies, eg the black flag conspiracies, but the higher up they go the more people know

Either way, they should be dissolved and used as an example of the wrong way to run an agency.

This, I can agree with. Reform CIA, NSA, DIA etc, and rewrite the books, more police work and less sabotage

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[–] pray_the_gay_away 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

They didn't want to stop these guys. They probably let these guys organize the attack. How else were they going to take your freedoms?

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[–] luckyguy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

They did know about it supposedly.

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[–] Gardmeria 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

...after a big attack or obvious threat is there. Star wars covered this pretty effectively in episode 3

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[–] RedditDead2005-2015 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

It's a joke that the NSA and FBI need access to all established encryption schemes to stop terrorism. These misfits were young amateurs with no formal military training. This shit could be "planned" by me and 5 dudes while drinking at a bar.

Unless you have the ability to assign a few babysitters to every Muslim refugee and immigrant - the millions already in your country and the tens of thousands who are streaming in every few months with your leader's invitation - you will eventually be fucked. Just look at the trillions of dollars the U.S. spends on Homeland Security and look at how many tons of cocaine are smuggled into the U.S. as well as illegal immigrants in the U.S. The U.S. admits it still only catches a third of them. Now imagine a hockey goalie catching only a third of pucks shot at him. Good percentage? Encryption is the very least of your worries.

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[–] 0x4F 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

How about we assign them to a babysitting "camp". Fuck this political correctness and Godwin's law shit about putting Muslims in databases and segregating them from the rest of the population. Boo hoo, George Takei was interned at Manzanar when he was in diapers, so what? FDR made a tough but in retrospect acceptable decision considering the unusual circumstances of war. The reason Germans and Italians weren't interned "as badly" is not because they were "Europeans," but because it wasn't Hitler or Mussolini who actually went ahead and attacked the base -- it was Tojo. There were families among the Nisei who were sending money home to their Japanese relatives just like there are Somalians and Middle Eastern Muslims sending money home -- it may very well be legit, but you don't know where it's going to end up. You have to cast a wide net, because the risks are too great to let a few small fish get out.

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[–] Possible 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

If they had encrypted that information, we'd never know it now. Better ban encryption. /s

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