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[–] Dumpsterjuice [S] 0 points 54 points (+54|-0) ago 

We need more foreign workers. Its for the good of our nation somehow.

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[–] newoldwave 0 points 68 points (+68|-0) ago 

They work cheaper. That's the whole point. Americans are being sold out and have been for years. That's what has happened to the middle class.

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[–] wesmoc 1 points 23 points (+24|-1) ago 

Companies use H1B's as a loophole to get cheap labor. Short term gain will result in crappier quality which will ultimately destroy the brand.

Still, though, I cannot believe they even claim that they "Can't find skilled labor". It is so obvious it is BS, likely even to them, but it gets said nonetheless.

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[–] Pwning4Ever 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Oligarchy.

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[–] ovix 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The sad part about this is that it works for them only in short term. In long term they are hurting themselves because all those people who are now out of jobs can't afford their own products.

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[–] 123_456 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

They work cheaper. That's the whole point. Americans are being sold out and have been for years. That's what has happened to the middle class.

You're saying that like Americans have been completely innocent this whole time, and have never exploited any other groups. This is just a small taste of what they have done to others over their history.

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[–] MysteryMeat 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Yeah, increasing the supply of foreign workers drives down American wages. Corporations can then save money and offshore the profits. Win-win!

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[–] Alexwo1 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The profits offshore are profits that have been made offshore. They don't want to bring it back because of taxes.

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[–] MedicalMountainGoat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

They also force them to work massive amounts of extra time with no benefits. They still end up making a shitton more money then they would in their own countries, and then they take all that money back with them.

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[–] goodluvin 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

More profits for the top 1%. See the country is better off.

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[–] NoBroken 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Well they'll certainly do their best to make sure of that.

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[–] 2465104? 1 points 42 points (+43|-1) ago 

The problem is that we won't allow our workers the extremely low wage and working conditions that shitty countries allow.
but we are totally ok with buying products from those countries.
so, we support a system of shit and abuse, and then to keep companies competitive they need to lower the cost of operation in developed nations as much as they can get away with.

We should not allow imports from countries with shitty labour laws, problem solved.
Shit will cost more, some CEOs will hang themselves, whatever.

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[–] Sosacms 1 points 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

I would love to see a trading standards system. In order to trade in a country, your company must uphold that countries labor laws world wide.

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[–] Bindlestiff 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

how about not buying shit made in china?

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[–] CiscoinaBox 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I hear hanging CEO's make great christmas tree ornaments....

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[–] Abstentious 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

If they do that, there would be no more coffee, this is only one example

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[–] NeedMoarGuitars 0 points 29 points (+29|-0) ago 

H-1B has always been a scam. Big companies and third-party tech sweatshops bring in mostly young, single workers to work night and day for 30% of what native-born talent would cost. The workers live 4 to 6 people per apartment and never, ever complain about their working conditions.

They have five years to work on the visa and then they are sent home. The visa is tied to their job. If they did complain, they would be fired and on the next plane home. All this and their skills cannot compete with a native worker with a decade ot three's experience.

If congress actually cared, they would end the program.

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[–] Pwning4Ever 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

getting rid of the h1-b would piss off the oligarchy. Call donald trump a racist i don't care, but when the rest of the shills running for pres support the H1-B and we have Trump calling it out for what it actually is (wage suppressor).

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[–] NeedMoarGuitars 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I don't support Trump but he is 100% correct on this point.

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[–] chakan2 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago 

And what fucking infuriates me is 90% of the guys I know on an H1-B are sending 50% of their pay home. That's just icing on pushing our wages down.

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[–] 123_456 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

And what fucking infuriates me is 90% of the guys I know on an H1-B are sending 50% of their pay home. That's just icing on pushing our wages down.

It's idiotic of you to get angry becaues of that. These guys are scraping together their pennies, and saving as much as they can. Americans complain about saving 10%, and here they are doing 5 times that amount. You think they're in the wrong somehow?

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[–] rail606 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The USA doesn't collect sales tax on that income because it is being spent in other countries. So it becomes a problem if a lot of jobs are H-1B and Uncle Sam is losing out on taxes. Americans pay this tax. Americans pay more taxes. H-1B's drive wages down and give employers more power.

What is your argument against lower wages and more leverage for employers? Is that good for the average citizen?

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[–] 404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Probably closer to 80% of their income is being sent home. They are really holding out for every dollar so they can live like kings back in their third-world country. A dollar here is equal to 5-10 dollars back home. Think of an investment that yields a 5-10x return.

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[–] Tialah 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

The guys that took over the positions of people at my job were looking for a 5 bedroom apartment. They also sent money home. They all wanted to cram into one place together and refused a house. Wanted to spend 2k altogether.

Riiiiiiight.

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[–] TuxInATornado 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Developer checking in.

These companies truly are having trouble finding talent. It however has nothing to do with the amount of talented American developers. This industry has spent the last 20 years pushing ethics into it's developers. They have to a large degree been successful. I would never work for MS, HP, or Facebook (many more of course). The money is good for certain, but I do not agree with the direction of the companies and I can find better working conditions at smaller shops if not as good pay and I can be building a product without "features" I object to. In some cases I might actually get to write software I feel good about.

Bring in someone on a H-1B and what reason do they have to really care about working conditions (they are not raising families here), what the software does, or how the company gives back. It allows them to continue down the doing whatever they want route. I have also been voting with my wallet. These companies will not get very much business from me. Might be more a very un-organized strike against their practices. Sometimes I wish there was something like a guild or union for developers. Mostly not, but it could be fun. It would be nice to have a big club to hold over the heads of the industry. Right now we are just a herd of cats avoiding a bad smell. Lots of good jobs outside of those companies. H-1B's at the larger companies will have a bad impact on wages that really have not grown at all in the last decade.

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[–] idle_voating 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

How effective would something like this apprenticeship program being done by BMW in South Carolina be in the tech industry? One thing that increases its financial viability is that the apprentices are working and earning their keep while learning how it's done.

I think that it's insane that companies insist on only hiring people who already have a ton of experience doing exactly that job. If that's their hiring policy it should be no surprise that they're going to have trouble finding people in jobs more complex than mopping floors.

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[–] Pwning4Ever 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Computer Science internship is a thing, a lot of CS job orientation make the new employee take like a month or so of "training". But i think we all know that it's obvious that they only want the h1-b because they don't want to pay Americans.

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[–] 404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I have also been voting with my wallet.

That's very effective actually. You aren't the only person who see's the Microsoft/Facebook brands as tainted. And that will have massive effects on their share prices in the future. Brand is everything in large tech stocks, and when your brand is equated to sending reporters to die in a Chinese, forced-labor, political prison (where most people die after 10 years due to the working conditions and their organs are then harvested, no joke) you might not be the sexiest company anymore.

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[–] DingleMyCringle 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The only answer I'll be giving at that point is to a 556's question of "who?"

I hate the idea of a violent revolution; but if things got that bad how would I eat?

Honestly this is scaring the shit out of me, I work for one of their competitors.

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[–] Intestinal_Parasites 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Henry Ford payed his employees to stop massive employee turnover. He basically had to have 3 people for every job. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/timworstall/100016570/lefty-myths-of-our-time-why-henry-fords-pay-rise-for-workers-undermines-the-living-wage-campaign/

To a lot of H1-B visa recipients, there are two massive benefits. You make a lot more money than you would in your home country, and it looks REALLY good on your résumé. It's the best paid internship you could possibly get.

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[–] Gracchi 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Would it just be the end of the world if we made companies gasp train people if they can't find the skills? Like they did in the 20th century?

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[–] bagano1 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Fucking shithole.

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