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[–] 1905601 0 points 98 points (+98|-0) ago 

It is ludicrous that this is necessary in order to have control over what your computer sends out. Fuck windows 10

I am not policing my network just because they are spying assholes.

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[–] PiercingAjarDolphin 0 points 74 points (+74|-0) ago 

Precisely, the fanboys are really doing their best to try and convince people that this is an OS you can use if you expect privacy.

"Follow these simple 1002 steps to completely make Windows unable to phone home!"

And then the week after

"Oops! It seems Windows 10 still manages to phone home, go figure! Who'd ever thought that would be possible?!!111"

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[–] NikoMyshkin 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

yeah am gonna wait till the inevitable winX offline cleaned edn custom isos hit the warez sites. funny world we live in where you'd trust warezed windows more than offical windows.

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[–] reeperpill 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

This list needs to be blocked on your router, not in the Windows hosts file. The IPs are hardcoded inside Windows.

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[–] Belldandy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Thanks, thepower. Cool of you.

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[–] brutal_maths 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Protip. Sublime Text allows column select with multiple cursors, it's perfect for this type of thing.

http://i.imgur.com/0WFY2yF.gif

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[–] jammi 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The hosts file don't do shit; Microsoft already considered people would do that, so they have exceptions to it right in the kernel; ignoring the hosts file.

http://localghost.org/posts/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10

While the inital reflex may be to block all of the above servers via HOSTS, it turns out this won't work: Microsoft has taken the care to hardcode certain IPs, meaning that there is no DNS lookup and no HOSTS consultation. However, if the above servers are blocked via HOSTS, Windows will pretend to be crippled by continuously throwing errors, while still maintaining data collection in the background. Other than an increase in errors, HOSTS blocking did not affect the volume, frequency, or rate of data being transmitted.

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[–] Davbrowdid 0 points 42 points (+42|-0) ago 

Seems like patching holes in a dam that is already cracked. Harvesting my data is the last straw with Microsoft. From this point forward I'm going from dabbling in Linux to taking the plunge and only using a virtual machine with Windows 7 when I need it for games.

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[–] incoming- 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Most of my old games and adobe software probably can't run Linux, can it?

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[–] 1906242 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

Most are not yet compatible. But are these games more important to you than your right to privacy?

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[–] kropot-kin 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Maybe! A lot of the newer games are being ported to Linux because of SteamOS. If you want to check about the older games you can look here.

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[–] Caboose_Calloway 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Steam has 1200 titles on Linux.

Many art schools are abandoning Adobe products in favor of Krita and Blender.

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[–] Fuckery 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

If they are old and can't be run through wine it is likely they will fair well enough in a virtual machine despite the performance hit.

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[–] ninjai 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

You can't really use a VM for gaming. No 3d acceleration.

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[–] Aaaron 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Actually you can passthrough your whole GPU to VMs nowadays so gaming is totally a reality. Also VMs have had emulated 3D acceleration for a few years now but of course nothing beats passthrough.

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[–] jammi 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Actually you really can by using a VM with GPU passthrough, for the few games that aren't cross-platform and I've been doing that for close to a decade by now. Sure, the emulated 3D acceleration of VMs doing that will drop 10-50% of the frames depending on the game compared to a native Windows install, but so what; it's still worth it and you can always get beefier hardware. On the other hand, things like network and filesystem access are typically performing better in a VM than on native Windows.

However, I don't nowadays play Windows games in VMs as much I used to do, because most games (at least out of the popular and good ones) are cross-platform anyway; I don't need any kind of Windows to play them. For the past couple of years, the VMs have basically been about running car tuning/utility apps and such niches.

I will never trust any piece of hardware to run Windows natively if there are other systems on the machine; it's just not worth the risks with Windows messing up other-OS partitions, bootloaders and such, or even mess up the BIOS, when infected or such. The convenience factor of VMs vs dual-booting is also worth it.

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[–] kevinstonge 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Why not run Windows with a Linux VM (e.g., Tails) and just do all of your personal stuff in Tails and play your games in Windows? Since the games are the most hardware dependent, it seems backwards to run them in a VM.

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[–] Davbrowdid 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Actually, that's not a bad idea.

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[–] NikoMyshkin 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

whats the performance hit like on vm windows?

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[–] jammi 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

About 10-50% of the frame rate depending on the game and your hardware, but disk access and such is typically better, if you have a host os that does smarter things about disk access than Windows. Most good and popular games are cross-platform anyway, so it's not like you must use a VM to play games on other OSs.

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[–] Tarhun 0 points 25 points (+25|-0) ago 

And when Microsoft pushes a patch that uses a raw IP address, or a distributed set of address like the way a torrent does?

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[–] ninjai 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Then it will finally be the year of the linux desktop! Right guys?

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[–] NikoMyshkin 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago  (edited ago)

us: yes! that's right! hurrah!

99.9999% of winX users: meh. oooh shiny thing gotta go ttyl!

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[–] MaunaLoona 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It is year 2059. Computers as such have ceased to exist. Computronium permeates all of space or at least all objects made by man. On a table in a small disordered office sits the last of its kind: a desktop computer with the initials R.M.S. emblazoned on its case, running Linux. It is finally the year of Linux on the desktop.

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[–] JesusRasputin 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

now we only need games on linux...

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[–] Tarhun 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Neat. That gets a bookmark.

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[–] jammi 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Windows 10 is already that way:

http://localghost.org/posts/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10

Microsoft has taken the care to hardcode certain IPs, meaning that there is no DNS lookup and no HOSTS consultation. However, if the above servers are blocked via HOSTS, Windows will pretend to be crippled by continuously throwing errors, while still maintaining data collection in the background. Other than an increase in errors, HOSTS blocking did not affect the volume, frequency, or rate of data being transmitted.

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[–] Snagglerock 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

And some people pay for the data used over their broadband. Screw the upgrade!

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[–] Tantalus 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

If he's on ethernet he can't even do that. Pretty enormous oversight.

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[–] deathcomesilent 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Yeahhhh, I'm just gonna stick with my (more) secure OS.

Windows is dead to me. I've already convinced my some of my family and friends to use a basic linux distro for their privacy needs.

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[–] Lag-wagon 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I am pretty much a windows certified admin without the cert. I have been building windows machines since dos. This week I am setting up my first mint distribution. I'll run windows in a VM if I need too.

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[–] tribblepuncher 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

If Mint doesn't work out, try another distro. While some people lambast the numerous flavors Linux comes in, it's also a great strength in many ways.

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[–] Balrogic 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

While some people lambast the numerous flavors Linux comes in,

That's crazy. If any distro or desktop environment tries to pull this MS shit, it will be dead the same day someone figures it out. The more options we have the less vulnerable we are.

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[–] reddog323 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I've avoided doing this, but it's time. If I need Windows 10 for work, I'll be on a separate computer or I'll just nut up and VM it. i don't see MS changing their tune unless businesses refuse to adopt for privacy reasons.

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[–] step 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I want to enjoy parts of Windows 10, but this is absolutely ridiculous. Microsoft is pulling some seriously crafty shit if I have to do something like this to ensure my privacy.

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