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[–] bilog78 23 points 72 points (+95|-23) ago 

TL;DW: get a different operating system ;-)

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[–] piplupturtwig 3 points 20 points (+23|-3) ago 

I would but most of the programs I use are mainly for Windows.

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[–] PiercingAjarDolphin 1 points 44 points (+45|-1) ago 

And work just as fine on Windows 7.

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[–] bilog78 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago  (edited ago)

When I started to move away from Windows, at the turn of the century, my first step was actually to start looking for cross-platform, possibly open source, alternatives to all of the programs I was using, and switch to them one by one. It wasn't always easy, since especially at the time the gap in usability (when not quality altogether) between FLOSS and proprietary software was much larger than now, except when it came to software development tools and “satellite” software, but it was an investment that paid off in a few years, in terms of both money and sanity.

It takes time and effort, because even when the alternatives are good (or better) than the leading Windows programs, they often have a different approach to the UI (not necessarily inferior, but different enough to put off people that are used to doing things “a certain way”). But IMO it's fully worth it.

(And if you still end up needing that one specific Windows-only program, WINE or virtual machines come in handy.)

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[–] purplg 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

We hear that a lot in the Linux community, and a misconception is that you probably don't need those exact programs because those almost always an alternative. That's only if you actually want to switch though.

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[–] Azriel777 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I would but most of the programs Games I use are mainly for Windows

FTFY

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[–] thestory 2 points 13 points (+15|-2) ago 

All the privacy concerns gave me the extra motivation to install Ubuntu on my new machine! I forgot how much I like linux :)

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[–] hex_override 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If you want real privacy, use Tails. All operating systems are like leaky boats sinking, tails is the like boat that could sink the slowest.

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[–] Easybee 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Too Late; Didn't Windows?

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[–] bilog78 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Eh, I had my brain set to Too Long, Didn't Watch when it should have been _Read_, but that'll do too ;-)

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[–] FatPepe 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I made this point in another thread & I'll make it again. YOU can turn them off, but if you don't think M$ can turn them back on without your knowledge (if a certain govt agency asks them to), then you're naive in the extreme.

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[–] Radial 18 points 48 points (+66|-18) ago 

Step 1: Don't install Windows 10.

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[–] majink 30 points 3 points (+33|-30) ago 

2edgy4me

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[–] Radial 4 points 23 points (+27|-4) ago 

Not installing Windows 10 is edgy?

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[–] deathcomesilent 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

Go home to reddit, summerchild.

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

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[–] Chance 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It's going to be a problem though when Windows 7/8.1 lose maintenance support, and you're forced to use either Windows 11/12 or an unsupported legacy OS.

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[–] tribblepuncher 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago  (edited ago)

The end game for all of this is, really, for corporations to own the hardware that you paid for. It's a long, slow process to prevent instantaneous rejection, but it's coming along quite well.

Some people won't take this seriously until the police are knocking on their door for watching a pirated movie and have come to confiscate the evidence.

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[–] anticlutch 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Ever see Elysium [movie]? As crazy as it sounds, we're well on our way there.

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[–] hatesniggasandfags 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

The end game is a subscription for everything, you are right. From cars, to homes, to everything.

I think it's a positive step.

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[–] the-code-always-wins 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Problem is people really don't want to pay for software. Companies still need to make money, so they look for alternate revenue streams. Ads are becoming harder as more people use adblockers so companies go to micro transaction and data collections.

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[–] carnetarian 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the government heavily incentivized them to do something like this. Don't think for a second that the NSA won't have unlimited, warrantless access to all the data Windows 10 gathers on its victims users.

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[–] Zeroxore 4 points 21 points (+25|-4) ago 

I was initially excited about Windows 10, and then all the news about their spying bullshit. Now I'm just going to stick with Windows 7 until they get their shit together for Windows 11.

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[–] timsandtoms 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Given the software-as-a-service model they've adopted for Windows 10, I'm worried there may not be a Windows 11. At least, not as a major separate release like they've done in the past. I think they might just keep updating Windows 10, then at a certain point, stop updating features, change the hue of the UI, and charge you again to continue receiving feature updates, and call that new license Windows 11. Unless Windows 10 does so abysmally that they're forced to revert to their old business model, I predict we're witnessing the death of Windows as a good choice in OS.

I'd say this might be the time to start learning about Linux. There's no need to make the full transition, but while Windows is still a viable option, you can take the time to learn how to use Linux, without any consequence if you can't get things to work. Just dual boot it, and revert back to Windows when you feel like using your Windows only software. It's what I plan to do after I upgrade from a 64GB SSD.

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[–] MCVoat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

THE RIDE NEVER ENDS!

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[–] qawsed 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

There is no "Windows 11". Everything from now on will be a rolling upgrade to Windows 10.

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[–] PaperMarioGuy 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

No, they've said that they will stop supporting Windows 10 after 10 years, like all their other recent operating systems.

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[–] 1rash 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Wait what? Is that officially announced?

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[–] V-sync 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Are you actually implying it wont be the same Orwellian nightmare? It will be even worse.

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[–] Deathcrow 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'm not sure that clicking all the right buttons is sufficient protection if Microsoft is intent on spying on their users. I don't have access to my windows PC right now, but I noticed via wireshark that windows was still trying to connect to a Microsoft server when typing anything into the search - even with everything turned off.

I had to use a custom hosts file and block a Microsoft IP range manually to stop it from doing that.

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[–] tribblepuncher 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

IIRC there's at least one major setting in there that only lets you reduce the amount of data collection - not stop it entirely.

I think that tells us plenty about their intents and how much you can trust the OS at this point.

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[–] Balrogic 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The data access specifically is for things you have stored on OneDrive.

Which is why you contractually agree to allow Microsoft to remotely intrude in your system to enforce terms and conditions of the agreement, comply with court orders, et cetera. Makes sense. I mean, they definitely need to be able to search your private files and folders on your local hardware to make sure OneDrive content is authorized.

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[–] Deathcrow 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah no, I definitely had everything turned off that could be turned off with obvious (i.e. non-secret) settings. Windows was still connecting to microsoft servers. It has nothing to do with paranoia, I saw it with my eyeballs in Wireshark. BTW: A reverse DNS lookup revealed that it was some kind of Edge domain, even though I don't use their new browser.

Looks like someone else noticed this too: https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/397420

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

My friend used a packets sniffer at his IT job on 10 different virtual machines running W10 with all the settings listed turned off. It's still leaked data like a siv. Worst thing was it made the data easier for anyone to access. I'f I wanted to I could cruise my community right now sniffing for W10 and then combing the data. It's that simple, and Microsoft did it intentionally.

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[–] anticlutch 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The people arguing;

But it's fine! You can disable it!

Are missing the point.

You can get around nearly every kind of tracking / logging behavior or any kind of app / program / OS / service / website. The methods are often very different and much harder for others. That's not at issue. What's at issue is 99.9% of people either don't have the knowledge of the hows, don't know they're there - "they're in the fine print!" isn't a reason, or both.

I'm disgusted by Microsoft for this. I will no longer support them in any way. This is far worse than the government tracking NSA shit even with the ability to disable it. They're a company, they don't have a "reason" to do this that isn't covered in bullshit and lies.

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[–] lubbocksux 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago 

Sure they do. They can target ads to you more specifically and therefore your advertising value is higher. It's a company. They exist to maximize profits.

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[–] anticlutch 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

They exist to maximize profits.

No. They exist to create a product / service. One of their non primary goals is to create profit. The maximized profit lie is bullshit. That isn't the reason for a business. If it were, then why is my business to murder people and steal their shit not reasonable? It fully fits your stated premise of what a company is.

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[–] OldBoris 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

Thanks. I had already disabled most of these features - but some of them were, as the article says, very sneaky. It's a relatively clean and fast operating system, but the default privacy settings are absolutely horrendous. Soon enough, users who haven't disabled these options will get a letter in the mail from some shady company saying "we heard you had bowel problems, do you want to try our laxative?"

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[–] Sylos 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

~the future~

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[–] binglederry 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

You're not done yet. The article is missing some critical stuff, such as disabling telemetry.

http://winaero.com/blog/how-to-disable-telemetry-and-data-collection-in-windows-10/

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[–] OldBoris 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Thanks for that. Windows 10 really is the gift that keeps on taking.

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[–] V-sync 3 points 8 points (+11|-3) ago 

Thinking you have control over proprietary software is as foolish as thinking a slave is loyal.

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[–] hahanobutreally 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I prefer another analogy I saw. It's like letting a stranger hold a gun to your head, as long as they keep swearing it's not loaded.

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[–] V-sync 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

some how, I've never managed to have any of the issues you do, and I have used it every day for more than a year. Never had sound issues, performance is perfect, and I've never touched a /etc/X11/xorg.conf in my life. The Nvidia drivers are so bad because Nvidia, not Linux. That's pretty much how it goes for every issue with Linux: Lack of devel support. If you have lag multi tasking either you have a shitty computer or didn't know what you were doing setting your OS up. There's 1000 ways to fuck something up and 1 to do it right. Linux is famous for having good thread control.

I'm about to the point where I'm going to just go with Mac, but spending triple the amount on the hardware just for the privilege does not appeal to me.

Isn't the whole point of PC master race freedom? I would argue Macs are even worse than Windows 10, almost as bad as using a console.

I'm not a member of the PC master race just because I think the gaming is better. I'm here because computers are amazing, and hate that the standard is locked hardware and software that I cant control. I don't want to at the whim of Microsoft or Apple, I want to own, not be owned. So my point of view is a bit biased. But I'm enjoying freedoms most people here will never know.

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I've tried Linux, and had unacceptably poor performance.

Then you don't know what you're doing...

The sound is crackly and refuses to stay set to the audio device I choose.

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I need to get my work done, while also being able to watch Netflix and youtube and things without things crawling to a slideshow when I try to multitask.

Nothing to do with the OS at all but k...

Brand new account with 90 percent comments related to windows 10, yeah seems fishy to me.

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[–] thenthingsgotworse 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You can fix all of those issues after you get a BSc in computer science or the equivalent experience in the wild.

Is this, however, a reasonable expectation? I strongly think it isn't.

Just because for every specific problem, there is a way to fix it (which is often poorly or not documented) doesn't mean it's a pleasure to use.

I peek back at Linux every five years or so, to see if it has gone through the required revolution in usability and nope.

It's kinda sad, because it's brilliant in principle, and it carries the potential to really change the landscape in operating systems, but it doesn't really deliver a significantly less frustrating experience. Just a differently frustrating experience.

If all you ever wanted is to send email, skype and watch pictures of cats, it's not really that bad, but if you want to do something even trivially more difficult, all sorts of unexpected problems start to show up. Each one, again, has a fix if you can figure it out or find it. It's just that it gets very old very fast to be stuck doing this.

I'm not in my early 20s anymore and computers aren't exciting interesting new technology anymore. Today they're just tools to me. Tools must work with ease so they don't distract from what I'm trying to do any more than absolutely necessary. There just isn't any patience left in me to go through source code or learning a set of new configuration formats when I just want to do something that has been done with computers for over 20-50 years now.

I just hope someone else finds the patience to make it more consistent and sane at some point. Or maybe I will if I retire (20+ years from now) and have time to do seemingly endless tasks. I really hope that it won't take quite that long, though.

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[–] MushroomShaman 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

sounds like you did something wrong. everything runs on Linux just fine nowadays, except few Windows-only programs (but you can use WINE to run those) and some games (atleast on Mint) what distro did you try? I've been using it only for couple of days so don't know if I'm much of a help

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