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[–] craschnet 5 points 123 points (+128|-5) ago 

Looks like they are prepping for implementing TPP.

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[–] motoguy 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Eh, doubt it.

They are marketing the product towards wide adoption in the sense that lots of ignorant people are going to install it for the whole aspect of "safety and security" cause they hear unauthorized software and think virus. In the same way that Apple locks down their shit marketing it as safe and secure and free from virus, when its really just forcing you into their ecosystem so you spend more money with them.

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[–] WaitingForHitler 4 points 109 points (+113|-4) ago 

No wonder it's free.

Not gonna fall for that

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[–] Citizen_Kong 8 points 85 points (+93|-8) ago 

If a product is free, you're the product.

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[–] nm96 6 points 54 points (+60|-6) ago 

Unless it's free as in freedom.

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[–] Vorontsov 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

Does that mean the same thing for Linux?

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[–] xcureanddisease 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

This is the retardation infecting the internet. "IF THE PRODUCT IS FREE, YOU'RE THE PRODUCT" just stop. Linux is free, dropbox, torrents, etc.. And what about ad based free products? When was the last time you clicked on an AD online and BOUGHT something? Stop being stupid.

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[–] Khaaan 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

when the revolution is over the revolvers can go back to being slaves for the new captors

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[–] tratur 1 points 26 points (+27|-1) ago 

It's not free though. OEM is around $100 and the full version around $200. They granted an upgrade to users of their recently purchased software, but windows 10 is not "free".

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[–] White_Raven 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

but windows 10 is not "free"

Case in point: pirated 7 and 8/.1 users also get the OS "free" - because they are collecting NSA levels of data on each user of the OS (regardless whether you turn the collection off).

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[–] NikoMyshkin 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

can the shit be removed from win10 to stop it spying on you?

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[–] WaitingForHitler 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I read it somewhere, you can't. Maybe sometime in near future.

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[–] localbum 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I switched back to 8.1 as well. Fun little experiment for a minute, but I encountered a pretty substantial bug that would auto-update folder views in file manager, effectively making using the computer to move, rename, sort, and open files all but impossible. Google turned up bunk, except one support thread asking about it and the tech rep going "uhh... weird, I dunno."

Plus the privacy stuff, now this? I'm cool, no thanks Microsoft.

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[–] Alopix 5 points 102 points (+107|-5) ago 

THEY, not you, have the final say on what programs and even physical components you can install!

If that doesn't make your blood boil, I'm sorry, but you just don't know SHIT.

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[–] deckerzero 2 points 58 points (+60|-2) ago 

Exactly. This is insanity and the very fact that there are people online now that are willing to defend these moves is a bloody travesty. No amount of games in the world is worth the amount of hair raising bullcrap they're pulling off right now.

I've been on Linux for the past 15 years, every now and then playing a game here and there on Windows, I started on win 3.something, before that DOS. This is the worst move I've seen in Microsoft OS history...

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[–] ogn3rd 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Given the known existence of paid trolls, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that a portion of these "people...willing to defend these moves" are paid to post their "opinions" repeatedly around the internet under a different persona. I don't think that's too far fetched.

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[–] Reow 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm not going to defend it, but I figure it's Microsoft's call. If they want to try something new (even if it blows), power to them. They might well produce a product nobody wants and reignite the hatred people used to have for them, but that's their choice.

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[–] omnipotentsquirrel 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

Man that's just not right when's the last time you heard a car manufacturer tell you that you can't put those wheels on or upgrade your motor to a v8.

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[–] voat-simulator 3 points 18 points (+21|-3) ago 

Are they stolen wheels? What's the VIN on that engine block?

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[–] Foobarbaz 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Have you tried changing the chip in your vehicle? That's not free or cheap. So yeah, they kind do limit you in various ways. It's just ways you don't care about like normal folks don't. However enthusiasts do care -- like you care about your computer.

I had to get new wheels for my car and I realized that the dealer I bought my car from didn't even carry my tires. I had to get a different brand. Because of the unusual size of my tires (apparently) not all places around here carried them. So yeah, I've been in those shoes where I was fairly limited. I don't think I'm buying another vehicle like this again due to the limitations I'm finding all too often. "Oh, I want to update the touch screen? I have to update the maps too.. that'll be $200 please". Fuck me, I don't want the maps update. Just my touch screen updated so it'll show the song I'm playing. Can I just get that? Nope.

I've yet to see anyone write a custom firmware for it so I'm "forced" in to their upgrade or no upgrade. I chose no upgrade. With computers you can choose another OS. My car -- I can not.

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[–] DesignDecay 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I get your point, but at the same time Tesla, GM, Ford and a bunch of others aren't happy when you play with their software. Various states get angry when you engine swap or use unapproved tires. Tuning is also often illegal. Mechanics like that though. I don't want someone bringing me a computer that they fried the CPU through overclocking and then bent all the pins trying to replace. I personally view any removal of ability as a bad thing, but I also now what I'm doing. It's a tricky situation.

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[–] tame 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

I'm occasionally willing to accept "can't" as an answer from my computer when I ask it to do something.

I will not, now or ever, accept "won't".

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[–] smeezekitty 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

An OS is supposed to execute what code you run on it. Not act as the police

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[–] escapefromredditbay 3 points 41 points (+44|-3) ago 

wow, fuck 10

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[–] Hogosha 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago 

Most of this stuff is coming to 7 and 8 as well

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[–] klobos 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

That is why I shut off automatic updates. I guess I will have to consider my Win7 to be fully patched now that I can't trust their updates.

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[–] phly95 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

The unauthorized hardware part is what is going to push me to Windows 7. Task view was so cool though.

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[–] plankO 25 points 40 points (+65|-25) ago 

Haha, fuck you windows users

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[–] Coolstream 4 points 48 points (+52|-4) ago 

I'd switch if there was an alternative for gaming. Linux doesn't have enough support and OSX is a joke.

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[–] Krael 4 points 76 points (+80|-4) ago 

Linux is experiencing a bit of a golden age when it comes to gaming right now, there's significantly more to offer on that front than there was a year ago. Additionally, support only comes once the userbase is there.

If you don't use it, why would developers support it?

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[–] Snuff_Dogg 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago 

You can always dual boot Linux with Windows, or get Wine (or some other virtualisation software, but Wine is by far the most popular one, therefore most supported and maintained) on Linux.

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[–] Rellik88 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I started with Ubuntu 8.10 years ago. I had to pretty much give up gaming except for the limited Linux games. However with steam on Linux and alot more games coming back. It's alot better than what it was.

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[–] Colgate2in1 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I partially agree. I've kept my Windows 8.1 install around for Battlefield 4 and Far Cry 4, but I think it'll be a long time before I see it again, as the amount of games in my Linux Steam library is huge. I'm currently working my way through the Metro Redux package.

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[–] jazzbrownie 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Right, because somehow the users are the issue and not Microsoft.

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[–] Journey 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I was on Ubuntu then Fedora, bud then came college, I'd switch.. but Microsoft Office RTL languages support is best, then SolidWorks, then CES Edupack...

Unfortunately while a student, changing to Linux isn't possible :(

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[–] Caboose_Calloway 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Wait until your professor asks you to submit papers in LaTeX. They won't even accept your scrawny word documents.

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[–] ThisIsntMe123 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

That's when I changed over. And that was in '05/'06, before WiFi worked almost all the time.

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[–] gigantor 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I would switch if Linux had the software I need for everything I do on a computer. It could solve my social media needs for sure, but I haven't been impressed by its software. It's an excellent OS though, I freaking loved it; I just couldn't do anything on it.

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[–] plankO 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

If you don't mind me asking what software? it's an issue I've ran into as well but I've had success running android apps not so much with wine.

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[–] fucknohtml 0 points 35 points (+35|-0) ago  (edited ago)

unauthorized hardware peripheral devices

I really want to know what they mean by that.

Like what? A PS4 controller? A mobile? A wireless device?

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[–] Snuff_Dogg 1 points 45 points (+46|-1) ago 

From the article:

e.g. Xbox controllers that are not certified by Microsoft

I guess it's stuff like that.

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[–] TiagoTiago 2 points 45 points (+47|-2) ago 

WTF? They're trying to turn the PC into a console?

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[–] SecureRhino 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

That example is probably meant for XBox users, nor for Windows 10. Why would my Xbox controller have to be certified by Microsoft in order to use it on a PC? If it's not certified and it's used on a PC it's a XBox-compatible controller or an XBox-style controller, both don't sound like something Microsoft has to certify.

But maybe we are in luck and this clause is really just meant for XBox Live (which has the same terms).

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[–] ogn3rd 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Wonder if the driver hack will still work? (simply change the hardware ID to that of the non-official controller in the driver installer config before installing if I remember correctly.)

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[–] Bainshie 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

No, that was the article wildly guessing. The chance that they do that is somewhere between nill and zero, mostly due to a mix of "EU will fuck them over for competition laws" and "There's no way to do that without breaking computers full stop".

In fact thinking of it, I literally can't think of a an actual hardware application that they would block that would be beneficial to anyone. (I could imagine them breaking certain methods of spoofing certain DRM systems MS owns)

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[–] brontide 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

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[–] CalcProgrammer1 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This is one of the big reasons I hate Windows. Drivers on Linux are written and controlled by the community, not the device manufacturer (except proprietary drivers but I avoid those as they are crude hacks compared to the clean, open design of open drivers properly integrated into other open components). That means the community has no vested interest in blocking clones while manufacturer drivers will pull this crap and get away with it because there's no alternative.

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[–] smeezekitty 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Old news but this is part of the reasons I screen updates before installing. They pulled the driver really fast after the outrage.

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[–] SegFault 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

unauthorized hardware peripheral devices

The only appropriate response to such a decision is for users to ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ hard.

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[–] immibis 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Most users will just yawn, because they don't have any unauthorized peripheral devices. Unfortunately this is how the world works.

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[–] Mexi-kola 1 points 31 points (+32|-1) ago 

Hmms well I gues it is time to visit /v/linux

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[–] BASH_SCRIPTS_FOR_YOU 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

or

/v/linuxmasterrace for the circle jerk.

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[–] V-sync 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago  (edited ago)

whoa whoa whoa did you even read the side bar?

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[–] RedSocks157 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

one of us, one of us!

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[–] Mexi-kola 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Have bin a few days but I am now truely one of you. ;) Linux mint and got all the essentials working. But still need a good office program and I do not like libre. So still have a win7 virtual pc with office 2013.

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[–] CalcProgrammer1 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I have Windows 10 for gaming, but anything else I prefer to use Linux for. Dual booting is the way to go right now. Linux for freedom, Windows for games Linux doesn't support yet.

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[–] Diavolo1988 0 points 30 points (+30|-0) ago 

Now I don't pirate games, but what other things can they disable? Torrent clients, popcorn time, even open office?

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[–] Krael 0 points 48 points (+48|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Technically they can disable whatever they damn well please, right now they're promising they'll only block your stuff if it matches the extremely vague criteria they've laid out. Once people get used to the idea of your OS phoning home and spying on all your shit, you can rest assured that they'll expand the powers they've granted to themselves.

Let them know you're unhappy with this shit NOW, or they'll keep pushing. Like the native americans say, if you give them an inch they'll take 3000 miles.

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[–] spacedanspliff 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

this is a point I've been trying to stress...just because they have innocent reasons now doesn't mean it will stay that way. They give themselves the right to update the privacy policy and TOS at any time, and not have to notify you. The technology is now there, whats to stop someone when they aren't doing it for altruistic reasons?

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[–] tribblepuncher 1 points 29 points (+30|-1) ago 

Anything they disapprove of.

For all intents and purposes, if you installed Windows 10, they own your computer now. I wish I was kidding, but I'm not. I was posting about this and scoffed at.

The only thing I'm surprised about is that it was this fast. I wonder if the relatively high uptake has encouraged them to be bolder.