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[–] insert_name 6 points 112 points (+118|-6) ago  (edited ago)

I'm not too big on this area, but I know most the story of Aaron Swartz and it makes me sick.

For anyone who wants the backstory; back around the time of Aaron Swartz, the "government" was realising that people like Aaron Swartz were getting more and more common, causing them more and more "problems" (not really, just annoying the rich 0.001 percenters).

So they basically picked one guy (Aaron), who they saw as one of these "new wippersnapper tech kiddos", and falsely charged him with a metric shit tonne of shitty bogus felonies which he didn't commit whatsoever it's complicated, but basically they were bogus charges, watch the linked documentary to find out more, I couldn't easily and quickly explain the charges here.

They hoped that with the sheer huge amount of "scary looking" charges, and attention on him via the government, he would just plead guilty and then the media (government) would explode with "hey, new wippersnapper techy wizkids, looky here, this is what happens to you!" naratives.

The government was the sole almost the sole cause to him commiting suicide, and so really, the government in effect murdered him. And then, no one bats an eye in the legal system or anything but inner tech circles...

They took him out, blasted him with a load of bogus charges which he didn't do he didn't do more than anybody else in theory, and caused his death. Makes you think what goes on in those FBI meeting rooms when they plot these kinds of things every. single. day...

EDIT: Grammer fixes. And also, there is some pretty interesting points raised in the comments-of-comments below. Some opposite view points include the opinion that Aaron Swartz's suicide was really his own fault, and the government had nothing to do with it. I respect this opinion, but I don't 100% agree with this, for reasons explained in the comments-of-comments below. TL;DR: It's partly his own fault for actually doing it, but the government forced his hand, facing him with decades of charges, and him never getting a fair and thorough trail.

EDIT 2: For anyone who wants to watch a brilliant documentary on the life of Aaron Swartz: Watch this. Thanks for the various commenters who pointed this out.

EDIT 3: This has been an interesting thread, and thanks to all that commented, even those with opposing view points. I still don't agree that it's none of the government's fault, and to be honest it's pretty damn wide concensus that they played a huge role in it. Thanks for the upgoats, so here's a goaty GIF to embody Aaron and his fight against the machine.

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[–] Prophet_60091_ 0 points 49 points (+49|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It's almost like the government are the real terrorists... *edit ("almost" was \s)

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[–] Charley 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Almost?

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[–] insert_name 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I agree, almost? Hehe.

But seriously, did you read that post about what conspiracy theories one believes in, and this guy made a pretty damn clever comment about the 911 attacks. He made some really, scarily-logical, and plausible, points, about how the government benefited loads from it, and al-queada basically got a face full of democracy and completely rekt, and so really 911, when you look into it, looks like a mission by the government to achieve the patriot act, and what not...

It's scary what the US government does man...And I'm from the fucking UK...

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[–] FatPepe 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

No /s necessary when speaking truth.

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[–] Werdd 6 points 5 points (+11|-6) ago 

Shitty what they did but claiming the gov killed him because he broke instead of bent under pressure is reaching. It was a personal failing that killed him not the gov.

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[–] insert_name 0 points 33 points (+33|-0) ago  (edited ago)

A personal failing I would agree, but that doesn't mean the government isn't culpable.

They caused him so much grief that he saw no way out. And to be honest, there wasn't. As I've explained in another comment, he would have never faced a fair trail, as judges being old stubborn geezers, he would just have been seen as another one of these new "leet haxors", and just ignore any real defence on his part...

It's like saying it's solely Edward Snowdens fault he is stuck in russia. It isn't. He knows, and everybody else does, that he will never face a fair trail with the current US legal system, and so he is stuck there. He has said he would like to go home, but the government forces his hand.

Can't you see, it's exactly the same idea with Aaron. He could have had gotten on with his life, but the government forced his hand.

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[–] redsquid 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Shitty isn't the right word. What they did to him was extremely cruel and inhuman. And no, they didn't do anything physical to him, but under immense and unfair pressure we tend to break apart after some threshold. To say that his suicide was a personal failing... I don't know what to say. I wish I had the power to put you in his shoes, and let you experience every inch of horror that he went through.

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[–] KinkRaven ago 

We hold regular people accountable for bullying someone to the point of suicide.

How is the governments persecution of him any different from that? The charges and the amount of them were directed at him because of who he was, not because of what he did.

They wanted to make an example, they successfully did that.

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[–] realpatrickstewart 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I love how you defend the government when other people INSIDE the government condemned it as inhuman and multiple bills were attempted to prevent it from ever happening again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Swartz#Reactions.2C_complaints_and_post-dismissal_motions

Speaking at his son's funeral, Robert Swartz said, "[Aaron] was killed by the government, and MIT betrayed all of its basic principles."[71

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#Aftermath

Texas Republican Senator John Cornyn asked, "On what basis did the U.S. Attorney for the District of Massachusetts conclude that her office's conduct was ‘appropriate'?" and "Was the prosecution of Mr. Swartz in any way retaliation for his exercise of his rights as a citizen under the Freedom of Information Act?"[190][191][192]

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[–] GeorgepantsMcg 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Thank you for adding the video link to your top comment!!! 👏👏👏

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[–] insert_name 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Thank you for commenting it in, I should have done it straight away but hey, I just wanted people to get the backstory quick. It's a real eye opener, and gets you thinking. Sadly.

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[–] insert_name ago  (edited ago)

Every defense tries to act "optimistic" about outcomes. What, do you want your defense saying to the media "oh well yeah, we have no chance". Do you see Samsung or Apple in one of their legal disputes release a statement "We are being sued by Samsung/Apple and we have no hope of defense"? No. You see them 100% of the time releasing some boilerplate shit like "We are fully confident that we broke no copyright laws, and will aggressively fight them". So this isn't a great argument. It's okay but there are holes

Also, how could she know that about the suicide? Is she just doing the "I knew him really well and he'd never do that" narative. It's been done before, hardly ever true. People do things which you would never expect. This is not a good argument. If there is a blog post though from Aaron which said that he would be killing himself as a message, then yeah, certainly it wasn't for "a simple case of depression".

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[–] GeorgepantsMcg 1 point 49 points (+50|-1) ago  (edited ago)

This is Aaron's story. Please watch.

https://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ

This kid was changing the world. He wasn't just any techie kid. He was literally designing a new future for us all and he didn't agree with society as it currently is.

The government works hardest to control how we think about things. They killed this poor kid before he was able to even reach his full potential.

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[–] deathcomesilent 2 points 21 points (+23|-2) ago 

The dude was helping to design RSS, AT AGE 14. The kid was a genius, and that caused problems for certain big businesses.

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[–] omegletrollz ago 

I agree that he was a genius but it seems he was also openly taunting the FBI and he broke the law by using unauthorized access to download around 1-2 million worth of documents. Being a tech guru, liberties advocate and elite hacker he surely knew what the risks of his actions were and I'm really disappointed he would risk his own career (and ultimately life) for such a petty sum - even more so because his own b plan of retrieving all the info in smaller packets from in-loco thumb drives was perfectly legal.

I don't want to say what the "justice" system did to him was any fair or that he deserved it. I think any judge in his right mind would expect an apology from him and a percentage of the value he supposedly stole to be paid - because 8 cents per page when they are supposed to be free is actually outrageous too.

I think RSS is the best technology to reach the web yet and I have mad respect for him but in a very sad manner I'm happy that his image will live on in hacker history as it is now, beautiful, instead of having him ruin it later if he kept making bad decisions.

RIP.

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[–] Talexis 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

It really infuriates me that the government did not prosecute the bank but will go after a guy who just wants to make the world a better place. Then the government wonders why there is dissension among the people

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[–] GeorgepantsMcg ago 

Corporate capture.

We will see fascism next. History repeats itself like a clock it seems.

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[–] EllenPaoisamanbaby 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

You get it!

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[–] warpdesign 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

I've been wondering lately what he would have thought of the state of reddit today.

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[–] kjaya 1 point 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Can you elaborate? What do you mean by stick and carrot?

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[–] deathcomesilent 1 point 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

He sold out of reddit a good while before his death. He knew it was dead, and was working on a new website that would have fixed (or at least improved) many of those issues.

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[–] enfa 4 points 15 points (+19|-4) ago 

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We still miss you, Aaron.

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[–] AtheistComic 1 point 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

RIP

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[–] shirtlords 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

F

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[–] MyNameIsNotJohn 5 points 10 points (+15|-5) ago 

This need so much more attention than its getting. Kids should learn about him rather than Jesus imo.

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[–] realpatrickstewart 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Kids should learn about him rather than Jesus imo.

Wow... just... wow.

I had to scroll up to make sure I wasn't on YouTube.

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[–] gnarvin 2 points 1 point (+3|-2) ago 

You do realize many people don't believe in Jesus right? And I would guess most of them would rather people tell and hear the story of a real current person then a fictitious person from 2000+ years ago.

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[–] BLTcharcole ago 

Get the fuck out cancer. Made me look to see if the URL wasn't in YouTube or in dailymotion

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[–] knightwarrior41 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

commenting that this kid was more like jesus its by itself a pretty stupid comment.he was an activist not a religious figure

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[–] GeorgepantsMcg 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Give it time. It took close to a hundred years for the gospels to even be written.

Life is a beautiful thing, and those who grow blind from their grip on control forget that things will always change. We very well may end up with a future society that worships Aaron Swartz and Edward Snowden...

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[–] OmicronPersei8 1 point 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Aaron was tracked by the FBI for library fees...

https://veuwer.com/i/2yu7.jpg

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[–] knightwarrior41 1 point 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

i dont think that he committed suicide but rather he was suicided just like michael hastings was when his bmw car exploded in los angeles.keep in mind that a car like the bmw is almost impossible that it could blow itself up with the driver inside.

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[–] knightwarrior41 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

i stand corrected but either way its almost impossible for those to explode on their own like that

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[–] wake_up_sheeple 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

for anyone familiar with the Swartz story already; there is no news in these pages. I read them all.

for anyone not familiar with the Swartz story already; there is a lot more to be told, with the actually important charges around JSTOR rather than PACER if you watch "The Internet's Own Boy" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXr-2hwTk58

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[–] omegletrollz ago 

What do you think the section about his cellphone being a certain type and that it resulted in negative meant?

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