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[–] zoetry 1 points 129 points (+130|-1) ago 

Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.

~Edward Snowden

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[–] GeorgepantsMcg 6 points -1 points (+5|-6) ago  (edited ago)

"Thinking that Microsoft alone is the problem is the problem. Every company and government around us has been doing this for much longer."

~Rene Descartes

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[–] asmodea 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

You can't attribute that to Descartes, he died in 1650.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark

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[–] captain_bongfury 3 points -3 points (+0|-3) ago 

beat me to it

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[–] Interface 0 points 50 points (+50|-0) ago 

"Over the last 16 months, as I've debated this issue around the world, every single time somebody has said to me, "I don't really worry about invasions of privacy because I don't have anything to hide." I always say the same thing to them. I get out a pen, I write down my email address. I say, "Here's my email address. What I want you to do when you get home is email me the passwords to all of your email accounts, not just the nice, respectable work one in your name, but all of them, because I want to be able to just troll through what it is you're doing online, read what I want to read and publish whatever I find interesting. After all, if you're not a bad person, if you're doing nothing wrong, you should have nothing to hide." Not a single person has taken me up on that offer."

-Glenn Greenwald in Why privacy matters - TED Talk

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[–] CaptSpify 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

you might be interested in this

I agree with you/Greenwald, but this is interesting nonetheless

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[–] jnr 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

If I'm understanding this correctly, the guy sent Greenwald all the information. However, Greenwald is not looking to fuck this guy over. As such, everything he feels comfortable "not hiding," is still relatively secure. I do see he's admitted / published some personal information, but as far as I can tell he's still obscuring information. For example in his failed kickstarter to live for 1 year without privacy he says

You will see my bank account transaction and balances.

To me, this is bullshit because if you're not also sharing your account numbers, password, security questions, SSN, PIN, etc., then you're not living "without privacy." And I think everyone would agree that, were he to reveal these things, he would immediately be broke.

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[–] zippo 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Jesus Christ, I.. I just want to punch that guy so much.

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[–] devotedtoneurosis 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

great quote, but people really need to stop using "troll" as a replacement for "stroll".

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[–] SerialFuneralFapper 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It's not a replacement.

troll
verb \ˈtrōl\
to fish with a hook and line that you pull through the water

to search for or try to get (something)

to search through (something)

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[–] IdSay 0 points 35 points (+35|-0) ago 

good, then why won't the usa goverment show us what's in the TPP?

if they're doing nothing wrong, then they got nothing to hide?

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[–] ChillyHellion 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Obama did promise a new age of transparency. He just meant it the other way around.

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[–] k0s 1 points 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

You can't hide what you don't know exists.

With all these network holes ms is opening up, who says a hacker or ms itself can plant illegal files like childporn on a innocent victim.

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[–] Donbuster 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Or the NSA, for instance.... Oh wait, we can do that already without the help of MS.
BREAKING NEWS, internet user "donbuster" was arrested tomorrow for criticizing the national secur.... I mean possession of child pornography.

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[–] fry_hole 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Them pedos, eh? Always seem to be those trouble making anti government types.

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[–] Tantalus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If you're worried about having child porn planted on you, I'm sorry to say there's literally nothing you can do to stop it if they want to.

If they can't get it on your computer, they will just break into your house and hide it there. Then they will get a warrant and "discover" it.

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[–] k0s 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

hate to be that guy, breaking into a house is way harder to get away with then just a simple hack N' plant.

I personally have cameras in my alarm system. It would be kinda odd if something mysterious would happen to the film a few days after the "anonymous tip".

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[–] PiercingAjarDolphin 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

This reminds me of a lecture I saw once, it's called Don't talk to the police and it's very pertinent to this rant. Why? Because now online with Windows 10, you apparently have no choice but to talk to the authorities.

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[–] Tennis 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I think people do things that aren't ethically/morally wrong or illegal that they don't want people to know. I don't like the if you've done nothing wrong argument and this feels like a everyones done something wrong argument. Privacy is like curtains.
Ever looked up some symptoms?
Ever found out information about your favourite movie star?
Ever googled something you were too embarassed to admit you didn't know?

I'm using windows 10, I like it but I don't want everything to be recorded needlessly.

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[–] bazaarcluster 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Also just because something is okay to do today doesn't mean it is legal or okay tomorrow. A prime example is being gay in Russia, this was legal but then all of a sudden they changed the law and made homosexuality a crime, tell me these people have nothing to worry about?

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[–] JesTheRed 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

I'm using windows 10, I like it but I don't want everything to be recorded needlessly.

Unfortunately in a surveillance state you get to pick one or the other =/

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[–] fourthcoming 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

You might be interested in this little snippet of fine print from win10. They will break in to your machine, copy anything they like, share it with whoever they want, for any reason that sounds good. That's an instant deal breaker for me.

We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services.

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[–] Spiritreader 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago  (edited ago)

And you know what? There's no way back. And there's not only that.

If you choose to upgrade, the following happens.

I bought a 180€ Retail Win7 Pro License back in Nov 2009. Now if I want to upgrade, after 30 days my transferrable (can install on any PC) license will be voided. I'm not provided by Microsoft with a new Windows 10 license key, nor given my old back.

Additionally, the new Windows 10 license I get by having my old key voided is hardware bound. I can not install it on any other computer and if I would want that I'd have to buy a new license. //Cleared up by /u/somerandomteen by providing a zdnet source stating the opposite: ZDnet

They advertise the upgrade as free. What happens when I upgrade is that Microsoft steals exchanges my old W7 key. They shred it, destroy it so it can't be used anymore. //Same change of source for this as stated above.

Every. Single. Person. upgrading will be ripped off, this is not free, this is fraud. And there's no way back. You're stuck with it. You have no choice. Win7 and 8.1 keys are already sparse. They will stop selling them soon. The only thing you've done by upgrading is letting them fraud you by taking away your bought license and welcoming data and privacy theft with open arms.

I do not trust Microsoft, More than being monitored while on the internet, if my own Operating System is a spy, I don't feel safe having my computer in the same room, keeping it on over night or writing critical documents.

There's many other things bugging me with Win10, but this is the worst.

That's the part many people don't get.

Oh look, new UI

Oh look, DX12

The time of Linux will come.

Spiritreader out.

Edit: formatting, structure, getting the message across more clearly

Edit: /u/somerandomteen provided a ZDNet Source stating quite the opposite concerning transfer rights. I've crossed out the parts where I think my opinion differed from reading the microsoft faq and being caught up in not clearly formulated statements concerning the transfer rights on various platforms. My overall opinion about Windows 10 still doesn't change though, adding up to that being Microsoft still failing to provide an easy way to transfer your license. I do not necessarily support providing potentially false information, hence the edit and the hint that this may not be up to date anymore.

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[–] robertrobot 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

The time of Linux and FOSS is perpetually now!

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[–] benender 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

When I upgraded from windows 7 to windows 8, I was never told that my paid for business license windows 7 key would be nullified. windows 8 was very literally broken, and would not work despite my device being on the list of approved upgradable devices. When I called microsoft to revert back, THE NEXT DAY I was informed my key was now invalid and I WOULD HAVE TO PURCHASE A NEW ONE! Not only that, but it was MORE expensive through them as opposed to ANY other vendor, including bestbuy. Their reasoning was that it was no longer being manufactured, I countered that I didn't need a physical disk, just a number, their reply didn't change. I informed them I would be using a BIOS slick activator, and they could kiss my everloving ass. Still using the same version, same activation, fuck those bastards and the fact that they outsource their customer service to India (no joke), and make it their business to rip us off.

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[–] Spiritreader 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That is very sad to hear, Microsoft hasn't made the best decisions up to today. Thankfully and hopefully, with the new EULA, this will not happen again.

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[–] somerandomteen 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This is outright false. Win10 transfer rights and downgrade rights are the exact same as previous editions - it says so in the EULA. Can you quote any sources for this "information"?

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[–] Spiritreader 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Microsoft itself stated that it's up to the customer support whether you get your license transferred or not. They don't grant you a definite transferrable license.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-au/windows/windows-10-faq

Can I reinstall Windows 10 on my computer after upgrading?

Yes. Once you’ve upgraded to Windows 10 using the free upgrade offer, you will be able to reinstall, including a clean install, on the same device. You won’t need a product key for re-activations on the same hardware. If you make a meaningful change to your hardware, you may need to contact customer support to help with activation. You’ll also be able to create your own installation media like a USB drive or DVD, and use that to upgrade your device or reinstall after you’ve upgraded.

You don't get an explicit Windows 10 license, they invalid your Windows 7/8.1 license, and it's their arbitrariness whether you get your transferred license or not. Whether that includes or doesn't include OEMs isn't stated either. There's floating information about how it's possible, but there is no way to do that currently, and if it's not easily accessible.

If the company was 100% sure about how they handle the upgrade and license rights, they would've stated so publicly available instead of dodging and leaving backdoors open.

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[–] sesstreets 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

I'm going to hold this gun up to your head to keep you safe. It might hit the person attacking you or it might hit you. What's wrong, don't you trust me?

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