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[–] Bainshie 145 points 125 points (+270|-145) ago 

FFS, seriously how fucking technically retarded is this site? All of this is perfectly understandable and is NOTHING t do with 1984.

Image 1: Device statistics is basically a universal data gathering tool for working out whether your shit breaks users shit.

Image 2: Well duh. It needs information about your contacts so that things like "Call XYZ" actually works. Fucking dumbass.

Image 3: Optional feature that I can see being useful.

Image 4: See image 1

Image 5: It's turned back on so that various programs can't keep it turned off.

Image 6: Turning off windows updates shouldn't happen if a device is connected to the internet: That's why we fucking have botnets, because of dumb russians with Zero day exploits going on

Image 7: Microsoft will follow the law. Duh?

Image 8: OH NO TEH CLOUD!!!!!1

The rest of the images are just the above copied a bunch of times. Seriously do none of you actually know how computers work and just spend your time shouting at the magic flashy wizard box? Everyone who upvoated this post please donate your computers to charity; You're too dumb to fucking own one.

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[–] EckyThump 8 points 157 points (+165|-8) ago 

You aren't at least slightly suspicious of all of the data they're mining? I mean if they've got access to it....

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[–] Spirits_ 3 points 119 points (+122|-3) ago 

So you are not concerned that they can read the CONTENTS of your messages, e-mails, etc? Or how you cannot turn off the data mining unless you are running enterprise or a server?

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[–] p0ssum 5 points 31 points (+36|-5) ago 

Everyone who upvoated this post please donate your computers to charity; You're too dumb to fucking own one.

LOL fanboi much? If that level of intrusion on your computer doesn't bother you, then perhaps YOU are the one that should donate your computer.

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[–] umilmi81 2 points 20 points (+22|-2) ago 

The anti-windows 10 stuff is largely hyperbole. but you are way too dismissive of real threats to privacy. We already know that the NSA has compromised the backbone of the Internet. If you send something over the Internet, the NSA grabs it, catalogs it, and stores it.

The fact that your encryption key is being stored on the cloud is literally just handing your encryption key to the NSA. So what? Tell that to the next Edward Snowden. If this were the 90's it may not have been a problem because the US government was still following the constitution. Since the patriot act they aren't following the constitution. They are using self written warrants to present evidence to secret courts. It's been a big ol' "fuck you" to the constitution and due process.

And that's just the people who are claiming to protect you, let alone the criminals who are actively trying to steal your data. You're tripling their chances of success by sending it over the internet and storing it on a remote server.

Using your browsing habits and data to target ads to you is also unsavory. I remember searching for jock itch remedies and getting targeted for jock itch cream in the side panel of articles I was viewing. That's embarrassing especially if someone who knows how targeted ads work sees the ads. A coworker and I were looking up magic cards online and he got targeted ads for plus sized lingerie... he's male and single. He turned red and closed the window really quickly because he knows that I know how targeted ads work.

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[–] IAmYourDad 2 points 15 points (+17|-2) ago 

Double plus bend over

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[–] Nietzsche__ 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Can you not use a firewall to block the connection to MS servers outbound ?

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[–] sparkybear 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I posted this yesterday, but with everyone freaking out about this stuff I figured I should post it again. With a caveat that, every company that uses data is doing this same thing, Microsoft is just the first one to directly outline where and how they are using the collection. Remember when Google got busted for using your WiFi to generate location data and not telling you?

Any system that has any sort of predictive behavior (leave for your meeting at Joe's by 11:55) will have privacy implications. Microsoft will have access to most of your data on any **new ** Windows platform. But that doesn't mean your security is at risk. It means that some of your data is sent to their servers in order to offer you a 'better user experience'. If that's not something you're interested in or if you just don't believe them or if you just don't believe that anyone can be trusted with your data, then that's your choice to not use their products.

The reality is that you're probably fine, and unless you are committing a felony through your computer, and the Feds go to Microsoft to request your data. In general, it's not in Microsoft's interest to use the data they acquire in any other way than to make their products better for their users. If they sell it, someone will find out and the people that mind will jump ship.

Total anonymity is not practical in this world. You can and probably should change your privacy settings with any new installation or product before you put any sensitive information into it.

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[–] Marquistador 0 points 63 points (+63|-0) ago 

I've always wanted to become familiar with and use Linux...I'm gonna make it a goal to try it out within the next few months.

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[–] Beers 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

Linux can be really beautiful. Don't wait. Also, install Guake, its cool lookin.

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[–] JesTheRed 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Do it in a VM. Oracle is free.

Once you've got the hang of it, boot your VM off a Clonezilla ISO, write the OS to a file on an external disk, then restore it to your PC with a Clonezilla CD/USB boot.

For bonus points, reverse the procedure and put your old Windows install in a VM on your Linux rig for those rare Win apps.

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[–] AssaultMonkey 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Pst. /v/Linux. Come on over.

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[–] In_Cog_Nito 1 points 29 points (+30|-1) ago 

Don't wait, though. I fear some parts of 10 are already in 7, just more stealthily. Some components could even be added with updates as well. So getting off of 7 sooner rather than later is a good idea. Also, stop using Google products and services as much as possible (they're no different than MS at this point).

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[–] AlwaysInService 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Windows 7 so far is the best Windows, after that I'm switching to some version of Linux (most likely Ubuntu)

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[–] Lonecrowe 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yeah I've been telling people I'll be using windows 7 until 2020 and by then SteamOS will be running pretty well on linux and I'll just go straight linux. I already run it but now even my gaming machines will not be windows.

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[–] yoha 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

As with everything, the hard part is the first step. Start small and improve every day. You can just install Linux in dual boot so that you still have Windows available. That way:

  1. have some time, install Linux
  2. go back playing on Windows or whatever
  3. have some time, try browsing the web on Linux (notice it's not very different from Windows)
  4. go back playing on Windows or whatever
  5. have some time, install Steam on Linux, try some games (notice lots of games run on Linux (including all of Valve))
  6. go back playing on Windows (some still not run on Linux) or whatever
  7. have some time, learn a simple command to type in the terminal for that one problem you thought was too specific to solve automatically (notice that, on Windows, you would need to find a program for this specific purpose)
  8. go back running that one thing that still run only on Windows or whatever
  9. have some time, ticker with the command line (notice that it's pretty cool, even if people think you're hacking the Matrix)
  10. go back running that one thing that still run only on Windows or whatever (notice how everything is so clunky, slow and eats your RAM)
  11. go back to Linux, install Wine for that one thing, and ditch Windows

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[–] squidicuz 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Doing this for sure. Migrating my entire network away from windows.

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[–] Boxlighter 2 points 110 points (+112|-2) ago 

Still rocking that 7. No regrets.

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[–] NotAnUndercoverCop 1 points 63 points (+64|-1) ago 

Well... I'm still rockin' that Slackware Linux.

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[–] the_spectre 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

Damn I'd forgotten about Slackware. I dunno how.

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[–] AlwaysInService 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Still loving Ubuntu. Maybe I should try Slackware out...

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[–] reddisdead 3 points 23 points (+26|-3) ago 

But... but... Win 10 is so great ! It's so good ! All the shiny things ! Directx 658 (or something like that) ! And the start menu ! And so many news/papers/blogs/forum posts that say you REALLY SHOULD upgrade !!!

UPGRADE NOW !!!!!

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[–] Just_A_Human 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Assimilation is inevitable, resistance is futile.

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[–] Vheissu_ 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Windows 98 for life. It has the full version of Solitaire and it has minesweeper too.

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[–] jptawok 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

You're still giving the same amount of data. You still have PRISM on your machine, whether you like it or not.

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[–] GeorgepantsMcg 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It is so very sad you're getting downvoted. The masses aren't too bright are they?

We're fucked if people think Microsoft is solely the problem.

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[–] TheTrigger 3 points 135 points (+138|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Linux. I can't stress this enough... linuxlinuxlinuxlinuxlinux. It's all we have left to avoid the nanny state. And even then: make sure you avoid the questionable distros (looking at you, Ubuntu).

If more people used the fucking thing, all the games and software we depend on, for work or whatever, would already run on it.

Just use a separate Windows partition for Steam. Then use all your normal Windows apps in WINE or a virtual machine (Word, Excel, Photoshop, etc). You can do literally everything else in Linux just as easy as Windows.

Seriously guys, we all left reddit for far less dubious shit. It's time to leave Windows. No one said freedom would be easy.

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[–] Fuckery 0 points 56 points (+56|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I was helping my friend re-tile a floor. I never searched any DIY videos, materials or anything. The only relevant data would have been 3-4 texts along the line of, "Want to come help?" He had already gone to the store to get materials, I just grabbed some tools and drove across town to the work site. I used my phone to to play Pandora while we worked. Every other ad was for Lowes and Home Depot. Never had home improvement ads before or since. It was creepy as fuck.

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[–] somerandomteen 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

I really hope this is sarcasm.

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[–] radamhadameal 11 points -2 points (+9|-11) ago 

You don't actually go through the trouble do you? Seriously. You know what they're going to do with all that information? Use it to find out which soda you like so they can sell it to you.

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[–] BRockShooter 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Pretty much. This is honestly just Microsoft's version of Google Now.

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[–] shirtlords 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

As for google, its not very accurate unless you turn location on... when say using the maps app.

As for facebook, anyone dumb enough to use the facebook phone app is, well... dumb enough to use the facebook phone app.

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[–] ninjai 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yes, I admit, google does have my location data. Facebook doesn't have much on me. I block all their trackers and I haven't had an account since about 2008 or 2009. All their data is old.

I don't have as much data in the cloud as most people, and run my own "cloud" hosting with my 10.7 TB FreeNAS box.

I've got ads blocked at the firewall and a nice managed router. I run Open Source on my router so the code is freely visible to check for vulnerabilities.... and intentional back doors (looks at many big name companies).

I know it's far from perfect, but I'm confident I'm doing more/better than 80% of the population.

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[–] blind-science 9 points 80 points (+89|-9) ago 

Share your keystrokes with Microsoft... yikes.

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[–] roboticon 33 points 31 points (+64|-33) ago 

Fear-mongering doesn't contribute to the conversation.

"These services share your browsing history and keystrokes with Microsoft to help improve products and services."

All of these services can be disabled, but let's take a look at them:

1. Show search suggestions as I type

I hope it's not surprising that this feature requires sends keystrokes to Microsoft servers to search on those keystrokes and return suggestions. Like you type "cn" and it suggests "cnn.com" even if you haven't visited that site before. Hardly evil, but if you don't trust it, just turn it off (I don't know what the defaults are).

2. Use page prediction to speed up browsing and improve reading view

OK, so they send the page you're visiting and the page you came from ("browsing history") to Microsoft to consider which page you might visit next (e.g., if you visit Bing and search for "horses", maybe it prefetches the first result for "horses").

Reading view: think something like Readability. Send the URL to Microsoft, they send back a more readable formatted version.

3. Help protect me from malicious sites and downloads with SmartScreen Filter.

This one is simple: you send Microsoft the URL, and they check its hash against a database of sites known to contain malware.

4. Have Cortana assist me in Project Spartan.

I'm not sure exactly what this means, but basically in the Spartan browser Cortana can see what you're typing or what page you're visiting. IDK how they use that info but presumably they do stuff like anticipate tasks, handle requests, etc. Again, if you don't want it or trust it... turn it off.


If you still have doubts, that's fine. Do some research. Consider what Microsoft has to gain by stealing your keystrokes for nefarious purposes -- and what they have to lose (notice in particular how averse Microsoft is to being prosecuted these days).

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[–] null0 2 points 44 points (+46|-2) ago 

I think the image was a little overly paranoid and totally over the top (the WW2 and Half-Life 2 images were really unnecessary), but while you're right, the issue is more about what else happens with these features.

Once the data goes to Microsoft, you don't really think they process it, use it to improve your experience, and then simply throw it away, do you? Like everything else, this is a trade-off. You have to decide how much data you'd like circulating about you in exchange for these features. Microsoft is going to use the information to target you as a consumer. Ignoring the usual evil government boogeyman, the data is simply there. A criminal in microsoft's servers will be able to get all sorts of information about you.

The depressing part is that there are so many programs collecting data on you that the only viable way to truly opt out is not only to stop using the internet, but stop being friends with anyone who uses the internet, too.

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[–] misterindie 8 points 6 points (+14|-8) ago 

Thank you for being the voice of reason. I'm not actually sure there are Windows users freaking out about anything. When I read the comments here and on Reddit, it seems like the Linux hoards have invaded telling everyone to switch their OS.

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[–] diodepain 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Is Microsoft paying you or do you do it for free?

Anyway, the fact that it's opt-out instead of opt-in says a lot more about it than I ever could. And even then you don't actually know that it's turned off because of how Windows is proprietary and closed-source.

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[–] JimmyJimRyan 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

The option to turn off these things is a bullshit excuse, facebook keep saying the same thing then reset and change the settings. If they want to paying me my going rate to spend and hour or two per week to audit it then it might be an excuse but unlike even facebook these settings are not in the same place so how do you know you got them all.

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[–] Orbitrix 5 points 8 points (+13|-5) ago 

Its no different than what Google does, if you use google.

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[–] Easybee 1 points 25 points (+26|-1) ago 

Google does not examine the contents of my private folders and track those files, and report them to the government.

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[–] roznak 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

That is why I kicked out Google, and Facebook.

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[–] roboticon 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

In other words, predictive services are kind of a standard feature these days. Chrome and Firefox also do it. So does Internet Explorer on Windows 7/8/whatever. And 90% of smartphones have it automatically enabled.

I'm not claiming that's a good or bad thing, but it's not specific or new to Windows 10.

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[–] reddisdead 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

... because no one was supposed to go see what's inside the terms of contracts, what's behind all these annoying menus and what mean all these buttons hidden far in the configuration windows...?

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[–] redthnb 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

So.. my Start will be full of porn.

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[–] GrimShins 9 points 58 points (+67|-9) ago  (edited ago)

Step 1: Go to the Privacy tab

Step 2: Turn every setting off

Step 3: Don't use Windows if you actually give a shit about privacy

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[–] DeadFrancisco 17 points 69 points (+86|-17) ago 

Don't use the Internet if you actually give a shit about privacy.

FTFY

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[–] midasz 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

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[–] TheFutureIsBright 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

The right to privacy is not incompatible with the Internet, there is no need to be as pessimistic as DeadFrancisco suggests. People can and do use the Internet securely and privately. But they need to inform themselves about the risks and the steps necessary to protect their privacy and that of others.

You too can inform yourself about privacy and understand the many ways in which the Internet makes it easy to sacrifice your privacy.

Read up on the state of privacy laws in your country. Take active measures to privately use the net when you need to.

Get yourself a public key and familiarise yourself with the use of encryption.

Support services that make a point of preserving your privacy (i.e. activate encryption by default and do not store unnecessary logs about your online behaviour). Avoid services whose model is built around extracting as much information as possible about you.

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[–] eatinginternet 15 points 4 points (+19|-15) ago 

FFS people act as if all this is new, slapping images of war bs. Shit's been going on for years. Google and the rest of the internet already know a lot about me, and honestly I don't mind. It helps them bring me better services and honestly it's not that big of a deal. It's not like they're doing this all to get all your data and do harm with it. While we're at it why don't we look at the government? They have ALL of our information. Nobody seems to trust the government, yet they don't mind all the services they provide. Does it go too far in some places? Yes, but people need to stop being so fucking paranoid with all of their data. Might as well not tell a stranger your name or phone number BECAUSE HE MIGHT KILL YOU. There's just so much unnecessary paranoia. /rantover

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[–] GeorgepantsMcg 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

If you actually give a shit about privacy. Your gonna have to do more than avoid windows. If day delete Facebook, stop using Google products, don't touch Apple products, stop using the internet without a VPN, sell your cellular phone, stop using email.

Pretty much walk away from all tech that's been developed in the last twenty years.

Otherwise, your wrongly focusing on one tiny company within an already thoroughly entrenched nanny-state.

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[–] trixi 6 points 46 points (+52|-6) ago 

This is extremely scary. And absolutely no one seems to be talking about this massive (legal) surveillance of MS. Are we so used to letting companies collect our data that no one cares?

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[–] sammanzhi 2 points 23 points (+25|-2) ago 

What are you talking about? This shit is all over the internet. Everybody's talking about it.

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[–] 1450462? 5 points 24 points (+29|-5) ago 

yes, and the people who talk about it are the minority who don't matter

yay, thinking is fun!

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[–] Fuckery 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

The part of the internet we tend to visit isn't the same part most people see.

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[–] GarrioValere 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'm confident someone will care enough to hack up windows to remove all the bullshit, just like for previous versions.

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[–] AlwaysInService 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

And not in the right time

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[–] Cocobango 10 points 11 points (+21|-10) ago 

Dont have enough points to downvoat this crap, but damn, I would do it 20 times if I could. Everyone is collecting your data this way. Apple is collecting your data, google is collecting your data, yahoo, firefox, groupon, EVERYONE. They don't sell it to anyone, they don't give it away to illuminati, they dont wipe their ass with it. They use it to better your experience.

What you should be worried about isnt that they collect, it should be are they keeping it secured enough.

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[–] cky_stew 3 points 27 points (+30|-3) ago 

Everyone's doing it so it must be fine.

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[–] GoatBeard 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Yes, because nobody has yet seen the Snowden documents that put MS in the spotlight collaborating with the NSA...

They don't give it away or sell it, right...

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[–] Easybee 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

What other software service TRACKS THE FILES IN MY PRIVATE FOLDERS AND GIVES TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES?

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[–] TheFutureIsBright 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

I would upvote you 20 times if I could bring myself to believe that enough corporations doing something makes it Alright(TM).

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[–] TimeLoopedPowerGamer 1 points 44 points (+45|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Try the Linux Mint distro*. As easy to use as Ubuntu, it avoids a lot of the annoyware and bad usability decisions that Ubuntu currently has. One warning: they don't allow full-version upgrades. When 18 comes out, if you're using 17 you need to do a clean (re)install of the entire OS. Of course, if you're installing Linux correctly, that is really, really easy to do. Just put your user partition in the right place to begin with and there's no data loss, and few if any config things that need to be redone.

That sounds scary, but Ubuntu borking up on in-place, full version upgrades has been a major issue, so it is likely a good idea to not even support doing that.

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[–] Ronjoe 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Mint also has a Debian edition that doesn't need reinstalling and will continue to receive support as long as Debian does (so, forever).

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[–] DownloadedYourCar 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That might be true, but 17.2 is an LTS (long term support) release & currently has 4 years of updates/support left, after those four years you can then get the next LTS & enjoy another 5 years of updates. You really shouldn't run a system for more than a few years before doing a clean install anyways.

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[–] diodepain 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I recommend Antergos + the Cinnamon DE. It's really easy to get set up and looks beautiful and on top of that has the power of Arch Linux under the hood.

http://antergos.com

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[–] ddd 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

running the linux distro Crunchbang on my 10+ yo laptop with 1gig ram, it works like a charm!

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[–] snakepaws 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Love Crunchbang, and I'm also running it on an old Dell Inspiron 1150 with 512MB of RAM haha. The problem is, the Crunchbang project has ended. The dev stepped away from it - but, there is a community edition in the works. Point is, Crunchbang is outdated at this point, and while future versions are on the horizon, the release date is still TBA.

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