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[–] Frenchgeek 0 points 55 points (+55|-0) ago 

Okay... So...

Since the only guys who will need that password will be the ones already near you :

  1. What prevent them to simply ask you?

  2. Since you need to be connected to the net for outlook or skype to do its magic, Why would they need the wifi password for a network they're already connected to?

In short : what problem does this solution even try to solve and why does it do it in such a stupid way?

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[–] allogonist 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

Most Voaters when visiting family - "Hey mom/dad, what's the wifi password?"

Most Voater's mom/dad - "I don't know"

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[–] Balrogic 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago  (edited ago)

If they don't know then you look up the version of router they have, enter the default username/password combo and check. You can do that one of two ways. You can connect your device to their router with an ethernet cable or simply borrow one of their devices for approximately one minute. Someone that doesn't know their wifi password didn't bother to change their router login. Oh, and now you have root control of their home network. Congratulate yourself for a job well done.

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[–] White_Raven 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

So let's make sure everyone that mom and dad ever contact have the password, because mom and dad have decided to forget 50 odd years of habit in which they write down important stuff.

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[–] LordHumongus 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago  (edited ago)

  1. Laziness

  2. The idea is that they have it before they get there. That way they don't have to have an awkward conversation about passwords

In short: I think this is to allow you to set a password and then not have to give it out. That's reaching, though. Most people use a different password for their wifi than they do for other stuff.

This problem and solution reminds me of congress: at some point the big problems are handled and they have to justify their job somehow. So they spend their time coming up with unrealistic problems and solutions for them. Then they have job security fixing their fixes.

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[–] Radial 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago 

"awkward conversation"

Joe: Hey Bob whats the WiFi password Bob: 1234xyv Joe: Thanks

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[–] Frenchgeek 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Well, my router does MAC address filtering too... ( default configuration for the device too )

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[–] White_Raven 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

In this situation however, the big problems are still unsolved, or have crappy, barely adequate solutions and they are passing laws nobody asked for and nobody wants.

Also, what is so awkward about having a conversation about your wifi?

A - "Hey what's the password to the wifi?"

B - "There's an NFC tag on the back of the front door for your phone, and the password is written under it too"

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[–] radamhadameal 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This used to work with Facebook friends on windows phone. My Facebook friend came to my house, he asks why he's already connected to the internet. That's it. It doesn't actually give him my password. My phone just knew he was my friend and told his phone how to get in.

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[–] SpaceOctopus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This is part of the synergy with with Windows for phones.
Windows Phone 8 and Windows 10 for phones have a feature called WiFi Sense that is meant to share the passwords for public hotspots. The idea being that best case you phone is jumping from wifi to wifi while you are on the go, so it does not use up your mobile data.
Remember that Windows 10 is also used on tablets, where having the password for every hotspot you encounter is a killer feature.

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[–] roznak 0 points 51 points (+51|-0) ago 

The last thing I want is to share ANY password with my contacts. My boss and crazy ex is in that list for crying out loud.

Is choice made by the same guy that thought that the camera on the new XBOX being always on and connected to the Internet was a good idea?

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[–] Lag-wagon 3 points 28 points (+31|-3) ago 

Well since Microsoft is a branch of the government this is a great idea.

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[–] White_Raven 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Holy shit...I've never seen those words used in that configuration, but damn if it doesn't make sense. What better way to see into personal spaces better than ever than to compromise the company that makes the OS that is on 99% of computers.

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[–] Dirty_Asshole 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

Seems like a great way to get back at soemone (friend, ex) since you have their wifi password just go to near their house and download a bunch of torrents.

Let them prove it wasn't them. (Protip: they won't be able to)

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[–] HydroponicMoth 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Maybe we should find out the executives at Microsoft skype accounts and then just torrent near their house.

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[–] taxation_is_slavery 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

You mean torrents of CP, right?

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[–] Balrogic 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Since you have their wifi password you can log in to their router. Remotely. Without having to go inside their house, when they don't even know you're there. Then you can hijack control of their home network and initiate any type of system attack you want, including a destructive firmware flash. Hell, you could put some malware in their router that sends you a copy of everything they transmit/receive over the internet and steal any information you want.

Most people don't take security precautions. Think their IT hardware is secure? I don't. The most protective feature of your router is the inability to attempt logging in to it without authorized access, be it physical or wireless. Windows 10 is a security clusterfuck already.

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[–] SpaceOctopus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Just choose "advanced" during the windows 10 setup and tell it not to share.

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[–] zamadatix 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

As a network administrator you'd hopefully be using a 802.1x authenticated network and would not need to worry about this at all.

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[–] SpaceOctopus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

As a network administrator, I really hope that you do not have a wireless network that is able to access critical data.

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[–] Quawonk 4 points 15 points (+19|-4) ago  (edited ago)

While the early adopters (ie. suckers / unpaid beta testers) put up with this kinda shit, I'll sit back and and laugh and continue with Win 7.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_ESSENCE 1 points 26 points (+27|-1) ago 

All Linux users are unpaid beta testers.

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[–] Rakah 5 points 1 points (+6|-5) ago 

playing that one game that kinda works

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[–] Pinyaka 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Fuck that. I'm keeping my wifi passwords safe with DOS 6.2

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[–] SpaceDog 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Who uses 7 over 8.1?

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[–] Balrogic 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

People that have actually tried 8.1 - I've used it before.

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[–] Redeyedjedi 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Im downgrading as soon as i get home.

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[–] GreatAlbatross 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

At the moment, I am a still a little skittish about W10, and stuff like this, even when it is opt-outable, just makes me feel even funnier about it.

I can appreciate that the main reason that it is free is to reduce piracy from users who would never buy it, but it just sounds...odd to me. Almost like it's a massive user data collection effort.

I might be being paranoid, but I'm holding off the install for a bit (Which, in fairness, is par for the course when it comes to windows OSs)

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[–] VictoryScreech 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

Now is a good time for your to switch to using Linux. LinuxMint is easy to learn on if you havn't gotten your feet wet before.

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[–] GreatAlbatross 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I've never used linux seriously as a desktop OS, but I have experience.

Looks like I'm trying Mint :D

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[–] MaFishTacosDaBombBro [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I feel the same way. Odd is a good way of putting it.

Opting-in is essentially sacrificing your security for convenience. It just seems wrong.

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[–] TheFutureIsBright 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

the main reason that it is free

... I don't believe it is to "reduce piracy from users who would never buy it". It's still going to be pirated by those who want to pirate, because the majority of them will not take the risk of upgrading their pirated system to let W10 report them in whichever way it wants to.

IMO the main reason is to get this puppy out to as many people as possible who will be unaware of the multitude of ways that W10 will compromise their privacy and collect data for Microsoft to make buck out of them. This data (and resulting revenue streams) is worth far more to MS than the measly losses through piracy.

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[–] Dark_Shroud 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Wifi Sense has been in Windows Phone OS for awhile now. It's actually a very convenient feature. You just have to be responsible with sharing your contacts.

And honestly this is why I'm going to set up a separate wifi router as a quest network behind a firewall from the rest of my network. Just because I no longer trust people in general when it comes to my home network and privacy.

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[–] nutsack_incorporated 0 points 36 points (+36|-0) ago  (edited ago)

But why on Earth is it opt-out? Beaning your wifi password (even in some obfuscated form) to every spammer in your Outlook contacts is something you should have to opt into, if that.

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[–] Beers 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

Because technical people will likely turn this feature off immediately, and non-technical people will never go looking for it.

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[–] SpaceDog 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

From future down:

You can turn this off in set up, and it clearly tells you it is going to share this with your contacts.

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[–] JeffGodOfBiscuits 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It isn't op out, it's opt in. It asks you if you want to share the network for every single network you connect to, and to option to share is not selected by default.

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[–] Cuddlefluff 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

Because the likeliness of someone sneaking in among your contacts and goes to your house to connect to your wifi to do shady things is stunningly small.

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[–] captainVerde 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

What if you give your wifi password to a visiting friend and they don't have feature disabled. Is your wifi password now shared with all of their friends? Plus the fact that it is stored on Microsoft servers is a huge violation of privacy. I don't care if they encrypted it, because they can probably decrypt it.

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[–] austin63 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

My network password is stored on a third party server. What a nice legal loophole

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[–] Balrogic 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

At least the people who exploit that legal loophole can use high-powered RF hardware to log in to your network from miles away!

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[–] flashcookies 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

They can try that, but they'll have trouble getting responses from my 1 watt transmitter..

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[–] DeadlyAura 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

Windows 10. As water tight as a screen door on a submarine.

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[–] glassuser 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

My brother just talked about him and the ragamuffin band this weekend. Brought back some memories.

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