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Not much substance. I can't really disagree, but there's so much complexity these days that we should focus on the overall collection of packages than any particular one. Our favorite distros should have systemd alternatives, but they'd have to be well-used distros in order to support more than one init system.
Systemd dependencies are creeping up into userland packages, so much that they will not be installable unless you have systemd.
This is by design , so everybody will have systemd
Clearly NSA had an issue, Linux was not soo spyware friendly, had to do something.
Systemd is the perfect answer, covers all essential services, it is monolothing, it is a binary blob of code, you cannot disable or "adjust" it.
What is more likely.... that a bunch of "programmers" got together to write a replacement for an init system (that was working) for free and for fun OR that NSA paid them to actually do it ?
This is ridiculous. Programmers operate mostly out of ego. They get some idea about how things should be and they make it. I think systemd is no different.
It's still completely open source and auditable.
Oh you know what else is big and monolithic? The kernel. That's right, they could monitor you from there.
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[–] trotskyberg ago
Not much substance. I can't really disagree, but there's so much complexity these days that we should focus on the overall collection of packages than any particular one. Our favorite distros should have systemd alternatives, but they'd have to be well-used distros in order to support more than one init system.
[–] privacy_first 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Systemd dependencies are creeping up into userland packages, so much that they will not be installable unless you have systemd.
This is by design , so everybody will have systemd
Clearly NSA had an issue, Linux was not soo spyware friendly, had to do something.
Systemd is the perfect answer, covers all essential services, it is monolothing, it is a binary blob of code, you cannot disable or "adjust" it.
What is more likely.... that a bunch of "programmers" got together to write a replacement for an init system (that was working) for free and for fun OR that NSA paid them to actually do it ?
[–] TeranNotTerran [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
This is ridiculous. Programmers operate mostly out of ego. They get some idea about how things should be and they make it. I think systemd is no different.
It's still completely open source and auditable.
Oh you know what else is big and monolithic? The kernel. That's right, they could monitor you from there.
Not every last thing is a conspiracy.
[–] trotskyberg ago
How can we get some more prolific contributors on board with this? Like an entire distro or from the kernel?
Sure, I can't deny that NSA is subversive as shit. We know that they're incessantly subversive because we know the kinds of people who make it up ;)
I'm hoping my favorite distro: Arch Linux, will have another full init system supported.
Also would be nice to be able to turn off AMD's PSP - because most of us don't have the cash to switch to Power9.
[–] ThisIsMyRealName ago
You set a low bar.
[–] Plavonica ago
Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.