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[–] Kookus 1 points 148 points (+149|-1) ago 

I'm not here to make friends; I'm here to do a job. Some of the best engineers I've known have lived by this philosophy. They can be absolute joys to be around, but they're undeniably good at their job.

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[–] OftenTooRude 1 points 124 points (+125|-1) ago 

Give me a system built by angrineers over one built by diplomats any day of the week.

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[–] Jxnfpm 1 points 46 points (+47|-1) ago 

angrineers

First time I've seen that. I like it.

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[–] Sacrix 1 points 24 points (+25|-1) ago 

implying diplomats are nice people

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[–] Phanlix 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Diplomat of a boss, angrineers for employees.

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[–] Gargilius 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Assholes who are undeniably good at their job are fine, I can live with that; the problem are assholes who are not good at their job (but think they are - Dunning-Kruger Effect and all that). In fact, I suspect that some are subconsciously aware of their incompence and try to compensate by emulating the assholishness of the rock stars thinking this is all it takes to be one.

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[–] craschnet 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Oh you mean like Randi Harper?

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[–] Atarian 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Or me?

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[–] cyberpunk 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Agreed. I've been in IT for 20 years, and am amazed at how overconfident some people are.

On the other hand, I just applied for a job with six interviews for one position (they sped up the process for me) and they all gushed at my resume. I had to check it to make sure I didn't say anything that wasn't true, but it was fine. It was an interesting experience. I knew I had some skills, but that was really interesting. Let's see how they feel when I start the job, though!

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[–] 123_456 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'm not here to make friends; I'm here to do a job. Some of the best engineers I've known have lived by this philosophy. They can be absolute joys to be around, but they're undeniably good at their job.

I have to say I really like these people. Without them we'd have nothing. They make the world run. But you can be nice and do your job well, usually. It's not impossible.

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[–] bobsaguet 3 points 32 points (+35|-3) ago 

There's nothing worse than a coworker who starts rambling about how good or bad his weekend was!

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[–] kronal 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I agree. If it's your business and you don't want to work with some kind of people, I think it's up to you, but personally I think it's silly to reject talented people because you disagree with some views or their lifestyle as long as that doesn't impact their work or seek to cause problems with other people in the team.

In relation to Linus some of his comments do seem a bit over the top, and that could be bad for teamwork. Or perhaps I've just seen some bad moments people like to highlight, and he has actually apologized about it. But it's still his project, so if people don't like it they can fork it or whatever.

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[–] whatthehelldamnguy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Absolutely. I've worked with hardcore christian fundamentalists who thought the earth was less than 5000 years old but they were good to work with and that is all I or they cared about.

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[–] rikAtee 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

DOZENS!

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[–] Wmb102er 1 points 50 points (+51|-1) ago 

Linus is absolutely SJW proof. He knows how to deal with them. Ignore and they'll go away after complaining for a while.

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[–] Rigel 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago  (edited ago)

He's invincible. SJWs can moan about him as much as they want, he's never going to get kicked off a job for having an opinion.

The man is a legend.

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[–] immibis 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Wonder if the Linux mirror will be taken down from GitHub.

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[–] Wmb102er 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I hope so. It would be github's suicide. Linux doesn't need the github mirror.

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[–] fortuk 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

SJW?

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[–] Scratchie 1 points 45 points (+46|-1) ago  (edited ago)

A geek girl I used to date was Senior Solaris Consultant for IBM. SO smart but what a nightmare. She had her own special office with just her and lots of Sun boxes to keep her away from the normal folk.

She had no filter. A lot like Linus. A small child was making a bit of noise on the beach so she yells "Kill it before it breeds" and 50 people look at her in astonishment. She was lots of fun in a sometimes scary way.

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[–] bobsaguet 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

I dated someone like this... not the genius part, just the anti-people attitude. She was definitely not a genius; she just didn't like people and was very intolerant towards those who were making too much noise (according to her).

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[–] Scratchie 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago  (edited ago)

She used to flip out and dump me every few months. After 3 years of this I was over the drama. I told her to get her stuff that was at my place. She said she was coming to get her things. I left all her belongings in bags outside the front door and went out for dinner.

When I got home I saw her car still there so I kept driving. She leapt out of her car and stood in the middle of the road in front of me. I stopped. She had her crazy face on and due to my peaceful nature, her black belt in karate, that she was 5'11" tall and weighed nearly as much as me I decided to drive around her.

Full lock and doing 5 mph and she slammed a Karate chop to the windshield of my very slowly moving car. Thank god for toughened glass. Karate chopping a moving vehicle is not going to work. She sat on her ass on the road.

I stopped up the road a bit and saw her get up so I figured she was OK and I went back to the pub. She went back to my place and told my flatmate I had run her down. She reported me to the police. She rang my work and told my boss.

Thankfully the bruises she had from the karate chop didn't vaguely match anything my car could hit if I could run her down. That was the end.

On the other hand she had the keys to the office and one NYE I had sex on the 35 floor with her bent over a desk looking out the glass wall at the fireworks when we both VERY high on E. Crazy but a ton of fun.

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[–] Charley 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

The boxes couldn't contain the Suns and she was swallowed into a black hole of bitchtitude.

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[–] faissaloo 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

She got too hot to handle? She burnt out? She bought an AMD card?
I'll stop now

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[–] 0fux 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Well, as it turns out, there are laws in place about killing children. Due to the threatening inconveniences of penalties for breaking those laws, the child went on living its life to, one day, breed.

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[–] 1F4A9 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Is she available for breeding purposes?

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[–] Scratchie 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

She'd be about 55 now so maybe a bit old for that. And any children would have to removed from her at birth or she would likely kill them. And if she didn't they probably get eaten by her pet Diamond Python.

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[–] Stabzy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What are sun boxes?

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[–] Scratchie 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Sun Microsystems servers. Which run Solaris Unix. The computers the internet used to run on.

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[–] Marijuana_Merlin 2 points 40 points (+42|-2) ago 

This man is a hero

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[–] dev-null 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The man is the physical embodiment of my spirit animal, I'm sure of it.

I aspire to be even half as legendary as him someday.

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[–] fluffyunbound 1 points 32 points (+33|-1) ago 

There are a great many people in the world who can't actually produce anything when it's just them and an empty page, and those people tend to get by in life by socializing to cover up their deficiency.

Those people abhor anyone who just wants to see your work and doesn't want to get schmoozed.

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[–] sawengchuan 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Well said...

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[–] nonamesareavailable 1 points 30 points (+31|-1) ago 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with his statement. The work should be all that matters.

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[–] Moocat 3 points 13 points (+16|-3) ago  (edited ago)

I haven't worked with Linus, but I've worked with a lot of developers who are overly hostile or unkind to the detriment of the work, because there are humans doing the work.. You can yell at your PC all you want and call it names or be racist at it, and it will still compute.

There is a balance to be struck, and it's clearly not "be a dick at any cost." Again, I'm not saying that's Linus' motto, but there are some people who are dicks just because they're dicks, in ways that benefit no-one and nothing. Like... getting upset at reviewers during a review of your code without addressing reviewer's criticisms. There's a difference between being a dick and just not being a pushover, which is more like what I feel is the way to an appropriate balance. Be kind to the coder, not the code.

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[–] nonethewiser 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

A lot of programmers try to be Linus in the same way a lot of product owners try and be Jobs. They overcompensate for their lack of programming/product skill by overemphasizing on the priggish nature of their idol's personality.

I've met a few nice people who were incapable of not being assholes, and those people just need to be accepted as brusque, but there are plenty of people who are dicks just because.

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[–] HarikMCO 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

I've done the kernel mailing list rodeo enough times. The thing is, bad code is dangerous, and your feelings getting hurt is a lot less important than a zero-day remote exploit that affects 1/3 of the servers on the Internet. Even something that's not immediately obvious as a security flaw - such as a badly chosen hash function - can have devastating effects as a denial of service attack.

A lot of people contribute code with the idea "Well it works, that's good enough." and get shocked and outraged by pushback when they're asked to account for their code not being used exactly as intended. They get pissy about it, and try to blow-off Linus (and other devs) as being overly perfectionist. That's when you step away from the computer, go to the kitchen, and start a batch of popcorn, because shit's about to get entertaining.

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[–] chakan2 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

There is a world of difference between being a dick and being professionally distant...Linus is referring to the latter not the former.

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[–] Robotsarecool 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Your definition of kind and mine are very different. My idea of kindness is brutal honesty, the majority of people can't handle that, but I can't tolerate anything less. So to me being kind would be incredibly cruel to someone else.

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[–] ghotioninabarrel 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

We need more people like this.

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