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[–] Legundo 2 points 27 points (+29|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Rear ended.
Rear ended.
Rear ended.
Rear ended.
Hit from the side.
Rear ended.
Rear ended.

Yeah... seems like we need this right freaking NOW. If the car behind was also able to apply brakes, probably none of these would have happened.

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[–] Naught405 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

The cars are extremely overly cautious and they do stuff like wait 10 seconds after the light turns green before starting and limit to 25 mph in residential and stop 25 feet before a pedestrian etc. I will bet there will be a lot more of these accidents until the cars start driving more confidently

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[–] Numzane 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Exactly these accidents sound like the kind of thing that happens to hesitant drivers.

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[–] Werdd 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

1.5 seconds is not ten but it might feel that way to shitty impatient drivers.

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[–] axiotomaton 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

You don't think this is happening because people aren't keeping proper distance?

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[–] Einmensch 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That's just blatantly false. There are lights that don't even last for 15 seconds.

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[–] knuklz 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

As a motorcyclist I would prefer sharing the road with autonomous vehicles rather than human beings. Let's roll this out and go live ASAP.

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[–] fry_hole 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Don't you worry that this will lead to restriction or a ban of motorcycles? I mean the vast majority of proponents of self driving cars I hear are pushing to ban manual driving on public roads, not make it an option.

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[–] TimberWolfAlpha 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

What leads you to believe that if the ability to manually operate a car is taken away, that they'll somehow overlook motorcycles?

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[–] storm69 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Yes. So much this. On the other hand, I do worry about legislation preventing all manual driving because there are a lot less accidents with self-driving vehicles. Even if it is possible to make self-driving motorcycles, which I doubt, who would want one? Could be the end of bikes on the road. I REALLY hope I'm wrong in this.

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[–] Schrodingers_Spy 1 points 21 points (+22|-1) ago  (edited ago)

From May 2015: Two oncoming asshole cyclists made an illegal left hand turn, veering directly into the lane of the vehicle. The car predicted their path and subsequently drove the dumb asses over. A police report was instantly transmitted to the authorities detailing their illegal left turn and lane departure.

Overall a pretty good read.

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[–] FatisABadChoice 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Haha, if only! (said as a cyclist)

It was a cool paper to read, I can't wait for this tech to be mainstream. Granted I love driving my car, but I'd like the hour per day of reading time gained even more!

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[–] tommy2255 3 points 6 points (+9|-3) ago 

I hate driving, and I find it absurd that anyone trusted me with a several ton death machine in the first place. I really want to avoid needing to own a car until I can name it Jeeves and be like "home, Jeeves" whenever I want it to take me home.

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[–] Schrodingers_Spy 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

It will also make collision reporting so much easier. No need to give a statement - it'll be sent directly to analysis/insurance.

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[–] kekonn [S] 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

I also love driving my car, but not in the boring commute kind of way. If a computer can do all my daily and long distance driving and I can just take over on that one fun and twisty bit... That'd really be the best of both worlds.

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[–] a_of_s_t 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Page 2 was very angering. What were these two cyclists thinking? What are the odds of the Google car coming across not 1 cyclist making dangerous decisions, but two? What is happening? Is the cyclist supposed to be going against the flow of traffic and traveling in the bike lane? At night?

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[–] trolleyfan 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Available evidence suggests a lot of cyclists don't think beyond "I'M INVINCIBLE!!!" and that obeying rules is "just for other people."

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[–] TrojanGoat 2 points 18 points (+20|-2) ago 

One day kids are going to be all like "they used to let ANYONE drive cars?? Even alcoholic grandpa with the coke bottle glasses? Sounds dangerous"

Well not just anyone kids, you had to pass an extremely generic and simple test that 95% of the population can pass, then you can literally drive until you die. But... Yea, pretty much anyone.

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[–] The_White_Baron 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

I haven't driven in about six years. My license is still good until 2019. I don't even remember how to turn my blinkers on, or my headlights. Legally, I'm allowed to drive. Practically, if anyone wants me to drive, I tell them absolutely not.

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[–] Bison_Rider 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I really hope this doesn't come to pass. I absolutely love driving, to the point that I don't think I'd be comfortable being in a self-driving car. If the logic of jumping in this is to save lives, will an additional step be to ban motorcycles?

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[–] tosspot 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I am certain that your opinion is shared by the majority of the populous. I wouldn't be surprised if this had difficulty catching on because people thought they had a right being taken away from them. People enjoy driving.

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[–] wutcnbrowndo4u 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

AIUI, the logic behind the (perhaps) inevitable move towards mandating self-driving cars (once they're performing well enough) is not saving the operator's life; it's saving the life of others on the road. If bad drivers were only a menace to themselves, it would probably eventually be considered in the same category as extreme sports or smoking.

So it doesn't follow at all from the same logic that motorcycles would be banned, since choosing to drive a motorcycle vs a car doesn't really endanger anyone but yourself (I say that as someone who was hit by a motorcycle as a pedestrian and didn't even notice my leg was bleeding until a few blocks away).

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[–] trolleyfan 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It'll be more like "you mean you had to wait until your Mom or Dad could drive you? Why couldn't the car do it?"

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[–] Bastou 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

I'm actually thinking this right now! And I've been thinking this for a few years, maybe a few decades now.

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[–] asp1910 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Interesting. Most of the initial ones seem to be obviously not the car's fault (rear ended or manual mode), but I'd be interested to know more about these ones:

March 2014: it doesn't really say way the autonomous car was stopped. It was the third car in a rear-end collision chain, so likely not at fault, but depending on the reason it was stopped, the car's behaviour could have been a contributing factor.

Feb 2015: Autonomous car hit on the back, from the side, after applying brakes. We can't know without more information, but I wonder if there would have been an accident if the car hadn't applied the brakes. It would have been further ahead and the other car might have passed behind it.

I'm not saying the car was at fault in either case, but I would have liked to see more information on those two. Given the amount they have probably driven, this looks like a pretty good record.

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[–] kekonn [S] 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Feb 2015: Autonomous car hit on the back, from the side, after applying brakes. We can't know without more information, but I wonder if there would have been an accident if the car hadn't applied the brakes. It would have been further ahead and the other car might have passed behind it.

The car braked because it noticed the impending collision. There are two options in this case: brake or speed up. But if you speed up there's also an increased chance for spinning out and hitting other drivers.

These are real edge cases and it's very hard to debate what to do regardless of the autonomy of the vehicle. It's a better record than most human drivers out there.

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[–] asp1910 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yes, these are edge cases, and the car likely did better than most people. I'm just curious about the "failures" and what may or may not have gone wrong. Pure speculation.....

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[–] oon 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

What are all of the unemployed people going to do? This is going to be a massive change to the economic structure of the world.

15% - 20% of the U.S. economy is transportation -- http://www.brookings.edu/events/2015/06/01-transportation-us-economy-winston

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[–] kekonn [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I assume you mean that taxis won't need drivers anymore? I think safety regulations will, for a long time, still require someone behind the wheel to take over. In the short to mid-term there won't be a negative impact on employment. In the long run... who can tell. Industries shift.

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[–] hexydes 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Once this happens, it will have a massive impact almost immediately. As stated, 15-20% of the US economy revolves around transportation. Even if regulators require human presence, how much do you think that human presence will be paid? At best, these jobs that can demand $40-50k per year will rapidly transition to minimum wage, hourly jobs. If the safety record holds, businesses will start to lobby the government to just remove those positions.

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[–] oon 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Taxis will be one of the 1st casualties. Über is already working on a driverless option. Check out Audi: http://www.audi.com/content/com/brand/en/vorsprung_durch_technik/content/2014/10/piloted-driving.html

However, these are bigger problems for employment in the transportation job economy: http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/06/autos/self-driving-truck/ http://www.amazon.com/b?node=8037720011

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[–] kekonn [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Interesting, thanks for the context. It is still noticeable that in not one of these accidents the autonomous "driver" was at fault. Perhaps the area where they test these cars is more accident prone?

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[–] AllenIll 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Based on this, that would make human drivers in 2008 17.5% less likely to get in an accident than Google's Self-Driving Car in autonomous mode. This is a pretty disparate sample size comparison as well (2.9 Billion Miles compared to 1.8 Million), so it may be likely that this percentage would increase with miles traveled as well. If all this is accurate then it would seem autonomous vehicles aren't quite there yet safety wise. No matter how cool the car was, I'm not sure I'd buy one that had a nearly 20% increased chance of getting in an accident.

You have to wonder too if these vehicles would fare better if all other cars on the road were autonomous as well. Although that's an unlikely scenario of deployment conditions; I do wonder if they were given operation restrictions—lane restrictions, limits on hours of operation like 12:00 AM to 5:00 AM—they might be able to improve their safety.

It will be interesting to see in the coming years how the press handles stories related to autonomous vehicle accidents. If the past is any indication—glaring safety concerns are likely to be downplayed due to advertiser pressure at media outlets so that R&D and manufacturing costs can be recouped by the companies that have invested in the technology. As has been the case with pharmaceutical products, food products, etc. A sad byproduct of an increasingly bought off system of oversight in the press and government.

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[–] Fideon 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Really interesting, almost sci-fi. Funny how the only accident where the Google car was at fault was because of manual driving mode. I really like driving, I hope we never have to ban manual driving though :/

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[–] WeatherGoat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Need, sure, based on accident reports. But it needs to get over that weather thing. If it can't drive in rain, we have a problem.

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[–] kekonn [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That is indeed an issue. But for now they could start with making a whole slew of these features required on new cars. If you could just put collision prevention systems on a lot of cars that would already make a difference. I don't doubt we will need an infrastructure upgrade as well though. Weather like rain, snow and fog can pose real issues for systems relying on visual input.

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[–] Bastou 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Humans are systems relying on visual inputs too, and they're not always very good at it either.

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[–] WeatherGoat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yeah I was always thinking they would have to involve road sensors sending information about the road to the cars going by. Think that would help with collision, weather, etc etc.

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[–] The_White_Baron 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago  (edited ago)

All technology starts with baby steps. It looks like the car has essentially mastered clear conditions. The next logical step is inclement weather and poorer driving conditions (E.g. construction). I have zero doubts this is a problem that will be tackled very soon, if not already (your link is about a year old)

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[–] WeatherGoat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Agreed, the article is old. I did a quick search as I am at work. Haven't seen many updates on the weather portion, I just find it amusing they didn't really touch on it in the pdf. Day night driving is important environmental conditions to note, as they did in the file, but so is the weather.

I think they will have it figured out eventually too, really can't wait.

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[–] 86lover 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I believe construction should be fairly easy, as there is usually some kind of barrier or cone along the edge. Night, wind and rain should pose no threat, as the sensors should be able to see through it better than our puny eyes.

The only major issue I foresee is slippery roads. Figuring out the grip level is difficult and people will sue the manufacturer in case of a deadly accident caused by the car not sensing black ice.

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