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[–] manicmessiah 0 points 208 points (+208|-0) ago 

I'll paraphrase what I commented on another post - The message this is conveying is that the Reddit higher ups are just feeding the mods and community bullshit for long enough for them to drop their pitchforks. What they don't understand is that the community is not stupid. When they fail to meet their promises, shit's gonna get ugly real quick.

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[–] GeminiK 3 points 79 points (+82|-3) ago 

NO it wont. They realize how easily the masses are placated with empty promises. They will keep doubling down. Shit Digg is still a site with a profit margin.

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[–] submittedtodigg 0 points 39 points (+39|-0) ago 

They've made promises and they have to live up to them. The content on Voat gets better every day, if another shitstorm happens reddit will be hit hard.

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[–] The_Wanderer 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

Nah. The reddit community has already been much more retaliatory and skeptical than I would have given them credit for.

Shit, in all honesty? I'm impressed.

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[–] infidel 1 points 21 points (+22|-1) ago  (edited ago)

One thing different this time around is that, unlike when Digg made their changes, the tech market is booming again. While this does imply more potential investment, it also grants a lot more mobility for engineers to jump from a sinking ship.

kn0thing was right: popcorn tastes good.

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[–] BouncyFalls 0 points 56 points (+56|-0) ago 

Sounds about right. She has seen what happens to other employees hung out to dry and fired. She probably did not want her good reputation marred by bad promises being made to the user community. Because you know someone in management was going to be pointing their finger at her for failing to deliver their promises.

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[–] snowlock 0 points 30 points (+30|-0) ago 

I'm guessing the behind the scenes meeting outlined a massive overhaul to create Reddit 2.0 with a very likely change in API to integrate new tools and interface changes. And then they made the public statement that it would be ready before the end of the year with graduated integration throughout. The engineers looked around the table at all the business and marketing degrees and thought... "Hmm... Now is an excellent time to update my resume before the Titanic goes down, cause that is not a 'few months' type of re-tooling."

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[–] Calbeck 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

"Ye cannae change the laws of physics!" - Blount, on the way out the door

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[–] refugee610 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That'd be my guess. It's probably looking like 100+hour 7-day weeks from here on out in Reddit IT (while the C-levels get a nice break until the next crisis) and she decided she can get paid better to do less somewhere else in the valley.

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[–] Krombopolous_Michael 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago  (edited ago)

They really did think Pao being fired was enough to cloud everyone's vision to what they're doing. Underestimating the user base was their first mistake from the start, and they're still making it.

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[–] papio 0 points 29 points (+29|-0) ago  (edited ago)

They also overestimate Reddit's value. There were a few years where everyone was using Google search but every night the founders had to wonder-- when I wake up tomorrow what if everyone is using Yahoo? The functionality that they went on to develop was mainly to generate metadata to harvest for advertising but has a secondary function of hooking users in. There is no functionality that Reddit offers that cant be reproduced in a short amount of time. So they are betting that people will use Reddit because people use Reddit. Its a bad idea.

On a side note, if voat gets "gold" it'd be interesting to make it a litecoin backed currency.

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[–] FatFreddyFreekowtski 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

They really did think Pao being fired was enough to cloud everyone's vision to what they're doing.

Yes.

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[–] The_Wanderer 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

In their defense, I would've made the same mistake.

Then again, even I'm not enough of a bastard to make it to that precarious a situation.

EDIT: Typo.

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[–] dddsr 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

The new CEO bought them some time but he will have to deliver, not just make promises. From what I can tell, the same policies and behaviours are still in place (things like shadowbanning, mod power abuse and censorship).

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[–] Qikdraw 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

mod power abuse

Yup. There is TONS of this going on, and a sub I contributed to for years, had over 13k positive karma (who cares) and all of a sudden my posts are being deleted automatically. No response from the mods at all either. Admins confirmed my posts are getting automatically deleted too, so I'm not going crazy with that. lol But yeah, the relationship mods suck. Cowards too. No warning no nothing, and I have never been negative in that sub either. I am betting they are starting to shadowban people from that sub because of posts on other subs. Which is really fucked up. How power mad do you have to be to do that to people from posts somewhere else? /r/Relationship mods suck.

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[–] Calbeck 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Yep. The core problems of communication remain, so even though "officially" it's been said shadowbanning is ONLY for spammers, mods are still free to shadowban anyone they like because who's going to demod them for it?

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[–] johnlocke90 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

He made a post today stating that he would like to shut down a wide range of "offensive" subreddits.

https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3dautm/content_policy_update_ama_thursday_july_16th_1pm/

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[–] pilgrimboy14 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

These were the core problems that nobody seems to be talking about.

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[–] binky 4 points 59 points (+63|-4) ago 

I disagree on two counts. I don't think the Reddit community is angry enough to leave en masse, and I don't think this is irreversible for Reddit. It's easy to get stuck in a media bubble and chant "reddit sucks" until it seems like the whole world is with you but take a look at Reddit's traffic stats.

They won't lose more than ten percent of their users to this mess and -- here's the important part -- They're losing their least contented users. They're losing people who would complain and the mods who would black out their subs. Obviously they're hurting their culture. Obviously they've bought into SJW echo chamber culture. But that's a very slow process. For the moment there will be fewer complainers and almost as much content. (in terms of comments and links)

The sad fact is most Reddit users don't care enough about free speech to leave when fatpeoplehate is banned. And the majority probably even believe the media narrative surrounding the topic.

So no, this won't kill Reddit. Rather Reddit will slowly commit suicide.

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[–] SkepticalMartian 0 points 65 points (+65|-0) ago 

Yes, they're losing the 10% who are the main contributors. That's the part you're missing. Sure it's a small part of the whole, but it's an important part.

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[–] Tsugumori 12 points 37 points (+49|-12) ago 

I just wanted to point out to whoever downgoated this guy; that is not cool. He way only stating his opinion in a matter-of-fact way, and respectfully, at that.

This sort of thing really makes me wish that you could see the breakdown of username of who upgoated and downgoated what. Downgoats should be used to exercise self-censorship. If you want to censor someone because you disagree with them, I can think of a good palce for you to go. It starts with an "R" and rhymes with "fuckit"

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[–] 404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Redditor for 6-7 years. I left. Don't see why others won't. Why stay, for more SJW and coontown fighting? That place is a shithole full of racist losers. Ughhh, reddit and the people who use it can gtfo and stay out.

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[–] Rhymerin 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

While I agree with what your saying I do think that even with most people not caring, if the main people who brought content slowly jump ship a lot of the neutral people will follow. I'm not saying this is going to happen, just merely mentioning that even if most don't care it can still cause a landslide.

So no, this won't kill Reddit. Rather Reddit will slowly commit suicide.

^ yep, this is what I think too.

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[–] zondor 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

A lot of the decisions were made by Alexis O'Hanion/kn0thing. Pao was just the scapegoat.

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[–] RoosterGallo 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

What happened with Moot and 4chan? Was that him leaving or him (attempting) to make it a more PC place?

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[–] Calbeck 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

As best I can tell (having never been a channer), Moot started dating the daughter of Gawker's CEO. Around that time, he posted a pic of himself at a Sarkeesian event (XOXO conference). Gawker was highly supportive of Sarkeesian, and continues to be.

After Moot got back, mods began getting canned and replaced. People began complaining of SJW-style tactics being used to warn and then ban people --- particularly the /gamergate/ board, which was then banned outright. GamerGate had started emailing Gawker ad affiliates, ultimately costing them "seven figures" in lost revenue (according to an angry screed by one of their chief editors).

So it seems Moot was baited into selling out GG and his own mods, either to get laid or some other payoff from Gawker. Nothing confirmed, but it all reeks to high heaven.

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[–] Gamio 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

In a nutshell Moot the only site owner started pruning the moderators around the time that GamerGate was in its infancy (around late August / early September) last year. Removing old moderators and adding several SJW friendly moderators and janitors (spam controllers) completely changed the tone of /v/ where most of GamerGate was centralized and started outright banning any GameGate discussion based on wishy washy "its harassment" crap.

What was learned was that Moot had some kind of relationship with a woman employed by Silverstring media, Silverstring media counts Anita Sarkeesian and Jonathan McIntosh (of Feminist Frequency infamy) as consultants and has been tentatively linked to the "gamers are dead" articles early in GamerGate. Basically identity politics peddlers got their way with 4chan and seem to have had their way with Reddit and a lot of gaming journalists.

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[–] Valis 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

4chan couldn't care less if Moot left. When Moot tried to assume direct control over 4chan, changing Mods left and right, 4chan went apeshit.

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[–] jammi 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Reversing the actions wouldn't have been nearly enough. The camel's back is already broken and it takes more than removing that last straw to fix it.

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[–] RaxSnax 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Lets just hope Atko and Co. are ready for it. Though, I love the progress they've made so far and I have full confidence in them.

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[–] jammi 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

Or maybe Google just buys Reddit and requires everyone to switch to their Real Names and Google+ accounts.

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[–] AmJamCat 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

geddit+

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[–] Brashtacks 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Good points, all of them!

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[–] PassingShip 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm beating the curve! I was part of the Digg Exodus, and I came here following the Fattening (I don't give any fucks about FPH, but I'll be damned if I think it's ok for the admins to shut down the community) and now I have to wonder: Am I good enough at spotting the signs that if / when Voat sells out I'll be on the next site, complaining about September coming once more?

And get off my e-lawn!

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[–] losian 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

In all seriousness, what brought you to leave after the "fattening" but not after the banning of subreddits questionable in terms of age-related sexual content? Unless that content was strictly illegal, didn't that also fall under this same idea of "freedom"?

I'm seriously just utterly curious what justifications people use to draw the line, cause the jive seems to be that silencing vitriol and harassment to fat folks is wrong, and agree or disagree, somehow silencing a very disliked sexual interest is okay? Would it be okay to shut down a subarea for rape fantasy fetishists in the same vein?

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[–] Heptite 1 points 52 points (+53|-1) ago 

Blount also said she believed Pao’s exit was an indirect consequence of gender discrimination, and that Pao was on placed on a “glass cliff.” It is a term used to describe women being set up for failure by being placed in leadership roles during crisis points.

Paving the way for Pao's next discrimination suit?

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[–] SkepticalMartian 1 points 42 points (+43|-1) ago  (edited ago)

She's full of it. Pao left because the community went on the warpath, and for good reason. Pao was a horrible leader who made very bad decisions.

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[–] altered 1 points 19 points (+20|-1) ago 

I think this is definitely the most plausible explanation for what's happened: http://weev.livejournal.com/412500.html

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[–] EpicNoob 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

The board makes many of the decisions too, hence why certain decisions aren't being reversed with a new CEO.

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[–] steel_sushi 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

You can add being a new admin of SRS to that list of bad decisions.

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[–] RED-001 1 points 19 points (+20|-1) ago 

Why does finding a patsy to take the fall during a crisis require a vagina? Glass cliff makes no sense.

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[–] Zodi 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

To be able to brush off the hatred as "sexist/racist" when the investors ask what the fuck is going on.

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[–] nilceps 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It just means that it is more "attractive" to hire a woman during crisis because chances are you don't have to keep her around for long and when people say that the firm is sexist they can say "Nuh uh we gave a woman a chance".

Was this the sole reason for Pao being a CEO probably not but just dismissing the fact that they could have hired her part for image control for a short while is probably part of it.

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[–] GeminiK 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Yeah Pao was pretty clearly a scapegoat, and she was hired for it. The keyword here is not she, the keyword is for.

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[–] GuenMakunikoru 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

wasnt she hired like a year ago? Thats a pretty long setup for someone who foresaw gamergate and the pushback against SJW's.

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[–] jackofdiamonds 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Christ when you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail, doesn't it?

"I stubbed my toe this morning. Fucking coffee table gender discrimination!"

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[–] flope_de 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

That's how I see it, too. Reddit is not going the way of digg, it's becoming Something Awful, or NeoGAF.

There are still a bunch of people at SA, but it has become completely irrelevant and is not even a shadow of the internet powerhouse it once was.

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[–] mscomies 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago  (edited ago)

The problem is the admins + the journalists who bend to SJW demands. If it wasn't for that, the SJWs could be safely contained in their own r/coontown equivalent subs.

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[–] honorkell 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

"Followers"

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[–] iamrage 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Heh.. here is a new website layout Reddit can go with in a years time

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[–] XredHiVoat 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

And here comes the fallout.

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[–] HP48GX 1 points 14 points (+15|-1) ago 

No, there's still a couple months to go.

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[–] Sops 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

I remember reading about Victoria's firing here and thinking reddit was kind of shooting it's self in the foot, but I certainly didn't expect it to be such a big thing. I think the reddit community is so agitated right now that it won't take much for them to go into a frenzy again.

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[–] fun_loving_terminal 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Can't wait! Been looking forward to this one for a long time. Don't fuck it up Bethesda!

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[–] markh110 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I haven't been this excited for a game to come out in a long, long time. I really have lots of faith that this'll be my new time suck, just like Skyrim was.

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[–] rayc31415 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Specifically: November 10th, 2015

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[–] DannyMac 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I see no mention of this on Reddit's front page.

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[–] Werdd 1 points 21 points (+22|-1) ago 

First there were glass ceilings and now there are glass cliffs. Women are fucking impossible to please.

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[–] Fogreddit 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

What about glass slippers.

Also glass jaws...

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[–] nonethewiser 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The glass cliff is a historically real thing. It's statistically significant.

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[–] Werdd 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Statistics are just the bullshit numbers people roll out in order to give their bullshit arguments weight.

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[–] SwiftCase 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

So, basically, she'd rather quit now than become a scapegoat in the future when Reddit fails to keep their promises.

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[–] ThizzBoss 4 points 16 points (+20|-4) ago 

Did you rea the article? It sounded to me like she was cryin over Pao being treated unfairly since she's a giiiirrrrlll

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[–] something_went_wrong 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Blount also said she believed Pao’s exit was an indirect consequence of gender discrimination, and that Pao had been placed on a “glass cliff.”

You're probably right. Sadly nothing mentioning her failure as a CEO, just more diverting the attention to she being a female.

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[–] EpicNoob 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

That's not what it sounded like at all.

It sounds like she's saying the board is playing the sexist card.

The board appoints her CEO, the board then demands these changes be made, people blame her (the board is the one making the decisions but people don't understand how it works), the company says it's sexist users complaining, they replace her with a man and hope everyone thinks things are now better.

People stop complaining for a short time, the company then doubles down on their sexist user excuse (we appointed a man and people stop complaining)

That provides them with "proof" that it's not their business decisions causing the problem but instead sexist users.

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[–] TexasComments 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Exactly.

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[–] Bathroom_Humor 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Scapegoat

She's in good company

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