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[–] Devieus 2 points 53 points (+55|-2) ago  (edited ago)

As well as "anti-Semite" when talking about Zionism; and of course the SJW with their colorful insults.

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[–] Predicament 2 points 32 points (+34|-2) ago 

Don't forget Islamophobe.

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I had someone on reddit last night discussing racism with me in pm's. We had a decent dialogue going until they dropped this bomb on me, "Black people cannot be racist because they've never had white privilege."

That is not just her opinion either, there is a strong movement growing claiming that white privileged people are automatically racists because of their privilege and power, making black people the forever down trodden race. I guess those black people forgot about the library at Alexandria and the civilization in Africa before Europeans were not just shitting on the ground.

The point I'm trying to make is this new culture of nonsense is re-defining words like racism and misogyny, and for some bizarre reason they're attracting followers, that's fucking terrifying.

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[–] SkepticalMartian 1 points 45 points (+46|-1) ago  (edited ago)

The real issue is we think the solution to inequality is making the unequal group more than equal to the other. In reality, it turns in to a public shame-fest where anyone not bending over backwards to help the group of people perceived as being less than equal is vilified. This causes a feedback loop where people who genuinely want to improve the situation overdo the situation by creating so much opportunity for the minority that it starts to become unfair to everyone else. Part of this issue revolves around a few who see this as an opportunity to completely exploit the situation in order to further their own ends. Ellen Pao is a good example of someone who wrongly attempted to abuse the current climate of women's issues for her own selfish profit.

What we really need is equal opportunity, and then let women decide if they'd like to participate. I sincerely doubt we'll ever have a 50/50 split in tech jobs. Most women simply aren't interested.

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[–] Terminal-Psychosis 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Bringing everyone DOWN to to same level does not benefit society.

Women as a group do, indeed, have every opportunity to make as much as men.

Race is an issue, in that the black communities across America do not have the same access to higher education as the typically more affluent white communities.

Yes, there are a lot of problems with the political motivations of SJW. The way to combat them is with truth. Unfortunately, truth does not sell as much as clickbait propaganda, but we can still try.

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[–] Fyzzle 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

As a guy in IT, I'd love it if more women were in the field. We're literally missing out on half of the talent pool because we scare women off. I hang up Dr Who posters, I have a stuffed cactuar at my desk, and I listen to beats that drop through the floor at work. I enjoy the hell out of it, but I realize that a person doesn't need to enjoy the same things I do in order to be as productive as me. And what we're doing in IT is getting a bunch of people with similar interests together which by no fault of our own, dissuades people from getting into the field if they're not part of the culture.

That said dorking out is something that's not entirely socially acceptable with women, it's starting to get that way but I caught shit for it growing up... females would have been totally fucked socially.

So. I get it.

If all I have to do is start being a little more flexible at work with the culture, and I get access to some incredible talent that wasn't available to me before because of it. Sign me up.

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[–] zaiguy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Unfortunately your argument is riddled with too much logic, common sense and real facts and thus you are a misogynistic oppressor.

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[–] Indiana_Jones 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

oh, and if you try to ask, then you're a "Sea Lion". The logic is: You don't want to have that answered: You just ask the question to derail an argument or a conversation or anything. If you want to raise a legit question? Doesn't matter. They call the shots on what is "legtit" and if they say it's not, then you're a Sea Lion.

Basically, the feminists think-tanks take everything that might hurt them or their views and label it so it's easier to fight. It's not easy to call someone out who's merely asking a question. But if you take that and label it and combine it with something that is bad you can call it out without any problem. Now matter the bullshit.

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[–] MC_Yggdrazil 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Anymore I don't even take people who use the terms *ist and *ophobe seriously. Bigot has also become a meaningless pejorative.

Its fine to explain to people why you feel their views are unjust, but if you resort to name-calling it doesn't magically become more legitimate because your views fall in the current perception of political correctness, and you have no sympathy from me if they start calling you names back.

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[–] myriadic 0 points 52 points (+52|-0) ago 

Vim vs. Emacs

Who the fuck prefers emacs over vim...wth?

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[–] Bathroom_Humor 0 points 39 points (+39|-0) ago 

As they say, Emacs is a good OS but lacks a decent text editor.

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[–] refugee610 7 points 13 points (+20|-7) ago 

Fuck both of them. Command line pieces of shit. The 1980s called, they want their "IDE" back.

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[–] onewatt 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I ask this question to everyone I interview, you learn a lot about a developer very quickly by their answer:

  • vi users care about performance and portability, can work in tight spots

  • emacs users will write an entire new scripting language to generate code for them, eventually

  • no preference is unheard of, unless they don't know how to use either

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[–] luisbg 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

They are both great. Vim is very fast and small, which is something less noticeable nowadays with our modern hardware. I use it for quick edits. Vim is a great text editor.

Emacs is a toolbox to build good editors; it feels more like an IDE. The integration with grep, git, org-mode, tags, etc... If you spend the time building your ideal editor with it, you get a great return.

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[–] Froztwolf 2 points 25 points (+27|-2) ago 

I am a guy in the games industry and have the exact same experience. But if I dare say that when the topic of misogyny is brought up, the inevitable response is "well, you wouldn't see it because you are a guy. Check your privilege."

Which to a point is true, but surely if the situation were as bad as people say it it, I would have seen it ONCE? No? Or at least that a woman I've worked with and become friends with would have told me a concrete example of something that happened to them? No? Sorry, I'll check my privilege.

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[–] Kleppe 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

"well, you wouldn't see it because you are a guy. Check your privilege."

This kind of attitude is exactly what will hold equality back, not just between women and men, buy anything.

Instead of giving a fuck, people will just turn away from it and think what a dick. Instead they could just give a proper answer, but I'll guess it's difficult to answer if there is nothing to show, which is most likely the case when people respond in a way like this.

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[–] heili 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

But if I dare say that when the topic of misogyny is brought up, the inevitable response is "well, you wouldn't see it because you are a guy. Check your privilege."

If you were female they'd tell you that you have internalized misogyny and that you're just too stupid to recognize when you're being oppressed and harassed without them pointing it out.

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[–] madelinebridge [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I never understood that attempt to shut men up. It's not like the women using it know what it's like to be a man, so they have nothing to compare to... Always seemed like a illogical argument to me.

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[–] jenn 1 points 32 points (+33|-1) ago 

How big of a sample size are you working with? This makes no sense

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[–] isitfridayyet 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Yeah right. "Never worked in the IT field with any male who was terrible at his job." Yup. For sure. I have some nice bridges to sell, too.

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[–] citrion 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I confess, I've seen dudes who are terrible. I've got a big ego, so it's not hard for someone to trip the terrible mark, but it's definitely not a gender-exclusive thing.

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[–] Reginaphin 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

This is completely my experience. As a development manager I find that my team couldn't care less about gender and they just care about productivity and culture fit. I've never once in my career across varying companies seen a difference between devs that could be attributed to gender.

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[–] Krutonium 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I mean, if you get low level enough, and you get enough hormones going, you will find some differences. Nothing specific to development though, purely organic. The birds and the bees if you will.

I joke of course. In my experience, what you said here was true and factual.

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[–] Captain_Trips 1 points 115 points (+116|-1) ago 

So for those who are curious, what people like Ellen Pao do is not fight sexism. They encourage sexism. They require sexism to sustain themselves, which is why they find it everywhere they look whether it exists or not.

YES.

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[–] TriumphantDefeat 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

She and Jezabel? And huge number of "women in tech" leaders are keeping the image of misogyny, patriarchy, etc. artificially alive because it is beneficial to them. You see them giving "culture seminars" at companies, offering gender consulting services, etc. And, of course, the tech culture being so easily manipulable in SV, no sane company would say no to such service lest they risk being called a sexist shithole, a toxic environment that foments mysoginy and misandry, etc. etc. etc.

They have reached a peak, IMO. Sooner or later their movement will crumble. Note not the real movement that fights for women's right when such fight is granted, but the movement of sexism as business model and sexism as a way to win every argument.

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[–] heili 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Those 'Women in Technology(tm)' are not actual tech women. They're not STEMmy themselves. They tend to work on the periphery in some non-technical role at a tech company and then think they're engineers. People like Ellen Pao, Adria Richards, Anita Sarkeesian and Randi Harper (who hasn't actually done shit for OS development no matter how big she talks) are not STEM women. They're 'Women in Technology(m)' and they're horrible for actual STEM women because men who have to deal with chicks like that get once bitten, twice shy about the whole deal.

Just makes it harder for the chicks who really are STEM to the bone.

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[–] Firevine 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Sooner or later their movement will crumble.

Here's hoping.

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[–] Gorillion 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"They have reached a peak, IMO."

"Peak Outrage"

I like it.

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[–] Stoaty 1 points 86 points (+87|-1) ago 

The author is a women, in case you skipped it. And I'll echo her sentiments: I never experienced what I would recognize as sexism either online or on the job. In fact, in the early days of the net, being female was a distinct advantage.

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[–] EarlPoncho 0 points 59 points (+59|-0) ago 

it still is an advantage

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[–] olivegarden 0 points 42 points (+42|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Huge advantage. A friend of mine works for a competitive cs department and once decisions have been made, they go through the wait list and chose all the females to boost their stats. Happens in work place and in academia

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[–] Froztwolf 0 points 32 points (+32|-0) ago 

Yubb, any tech company will hire a woman over a man (all other things roughly even) to show how sexist they aren't.

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[–] Sikozen 0 points 79 points (+79|-0) ago  (edited ago)

As a woman, this article makes me so happy. There is nothing that makes me angrier than rude, self entitled women screeching about misogyny and unfair treatment while acting like banshees. Anita Sarkeesian, Ellen Pao, Bahar Mustafa - these wastes of air and cells make my skin crawl. It is very irksome that people would hold these people up as models for ANYTHING let alone women's rights when all they accomplish is creating the very sexism they claim to see everywhere. People like this go on the shelf with other haters like Fred Phelps Sr., Malik Zulu Shabazz, and Jerry Falwell. Oh look, ladies! You scored for women's rights by showing that women can spread hate, sexism, and bigotry just like men! Hooray... for equality? /smh

Useless and embarrassing, the whole lot of them.

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[–] heili 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I hope Jessica Valenti drowns in those male tears.

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[–] Tantalus 5 points -2 points (+3|-5) ago  (edited ago)

these wastes of air and cells make my skin crawl.

God, I know that feeling. Unfortunately get it a lot on here since MRAs seem to be overrepresented since the SJWs are trying to chase them off reddit.

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[–] bl00dyg33k 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Or, like a pendulum the extreme is starting to balance itself?

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

There's a difference between a group fighting to not be smeared and gain their rights, and a group dedicated to silencing dissent and whoring for patreon dollars...

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[–] sharkiness 0 points 25 points (+25|-0) ago 

Website is offline? Did we give it the Voat headbutt of death?

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[–] Avnomke 0 points 29 points (+29|-0) ago 

The web archive got a snapshot before the site went down.

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[–] Figjam 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Thanks you, you glorious bastard

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[–] Chinchurro 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Thank you :)

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[–] Thapphireth 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Thank you! Just finished reading it. What a great article.

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[–] Browngaijin 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Thank you. I've been checking in on it from time to time.

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[–] Lodley 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

According to their twitter they are under attack, an hour after criticizing that lizard group

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[–] Thapphireth 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Voat headbutt of death

That's brilliant. I hope this catches on.

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[–] sharkiness 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I really wish I could take credit for it, but I got it from /u/klongtoey.

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[–] Rhymerin 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

lol probably, that or the "how dare you question the narrative filthy cis scum" headbutt of death.

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[–] Captain_Trips 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Pao was run out of town for her actions. Gender had nothing to do with it.

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[–] flopper 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Pao was always leaving. She was never meant to be popular.

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[–] LumpyG 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I think she may be starting a long career as the the person to Take the hit and the hate and be the bad guy when taking a start up company from a community of content creators, and users (not in the parasite meaning of the word) to a profit center for VCs

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