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[–] obvious_throwaway1 3 points 35 points (+38|-3) ago 

H1B's are a beautiful demonstration of government ineptitude. Whatever the initial purpose was promised to be is irrelevant, for as long as I can remember they've only been used by large outsourced firms to provide technology workers to American companies at slave-labor wages and working conditions, which of course forces Americans to compete with both the wages and conditions for opportunity. This has, over time, been incredibly destructive to the American tech worker's mobility and standard of living.,

While I don't think completely eliminating the program would be a net positive, changing it to significantly target the labor-strapped jobs in the US as opposed to being cheap IT workers would likely be a good direction to go. Sadly, given how the US political system is completely corrupted by monied interests, as long as politicians can be easily bought any good intentions will inevitably be supplanted. It's a "this is why we can't have nice things" scenario - so fuck 'em, eliminate H1B's until the corruption has been eliminated.


[–] Dfens [S] 3 points 26 points (+29|-3) ago 

This is exactly why the founding fathers didn't allow the federal government to tax individuals, but instead made them rely on tariffs. They knew that rich Americans and foreign countries would have a powerful lobby for foreign goods. When the 16th amendment was "ratified" in 1913, that put the balance of lobbying power 100% in the hands of the rich and foreign governments.


[–] vastrightwing 1 points 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

You mistake ineptitude for malfeasance. These shills understand the effect of wage arbitrage: it lowers wages. People like Zuckerberg and Gates, et al. want immigration or H1B visas to lower their cost of doing business AND to shift costs to taxpayers. Because flooding the labor market causes wages to go down and tax collection to go down, there is a greater burden on social services. More citizens collect unemployment, etc.

Immigration is a lose lose proposition. Our wages go down and tax burden goes up. You can't make the argument stick we are importing highly skilled immigrants because I work with them in the trenches. That argument is b.s.

I do think completely eliminating H1B visas is a net positive. There is zero need. You may be able to make a case for a dozen outliers but that would be the extent.


[–] Dfens [S] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

It is a war on the middle class, much like what was going on in the South prior to the Civil War.


[–] jthun2 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

You'd have to constrain the TN, OPT and other visas as well. Techies can get in on those classes of visa pretty easily.


[–] obvious_throwaway1 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I do think completely eliminating H1B visas is a net positive.

I think we disagree there, when looking at the landscape today. With that said, as automation further displaces labor in the short-term future, your suggestion becomes more accurate.


[–] lipids 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

target the labor-strapped jobs in the US as opposed to being cheap IT workers would likely be a good direction to go.

Bullshit. If those fields are that strapped for workers they can pay more and the high wages will justify more education and training. Exceptions could be made for ultra specific skills ala operation paperclip, but that hardly needs to be codified into law.


[–] Pwning4Ever 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Another big thing is that companies that do say fuck it and move a tech team base in India end up regretting it after 3 years basically always. The h1b is what they need to push down wages.