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[–] obvious_throwaway1 3 points 35 points (+38|-3) ago 

H1B's are a beautiful demonstration of government ineptitude. Whatever the initial purpose was promised to be is irrelevant, for as long as I can remember they've only been used by large outsourced firms to provide technology workers to American companies at slave-labor wages and working conditions, which of course forces Americans to compete with both the wages and conditions for opportunity. This has, over time, been incredibly destructive to the American tech worker's mobility and standard of living.,

While I don't think completely eliminating the program would be a net positive, changing it to significantly target the labor-strapped jobs in the US as opposed to being cheap IT workers would likely be a good direction to go. Sadly, given how the US political system is completely corrupted by monied interests, as long as politicians can be easily bought any good intentions will inevitably be supplanted. It's a "this is why we can't have nice things" scenario - so fuck 'em, eliminate H1B's until the corruption has been eliminated.

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[–] Dfens [S] 3 points 26 points (+29|-3) ago 

This is exactly why the founding fathers didn't allow the federal government to tax individuals, but instead made them rely on tariffs. They knew that rich Americans and foreign countries would have a powerful lobby for foreign goods. When the 16th amendment was "ratified" in 1913, that put the balance of lobbying power 100% in the hands of the rich and foreign governments.

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[–] vastrightwing 1 points 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

You mistake ineptitude for malfeasance. These shills understand the effect of wage arbitrage: it lowers wages. People like Zuckerberg and Gates, et al. want immigration or H1B visas to lower their cost of doing business AND to shift costs to taxpayers. Because flooding the labor market causes wages to go down and tax collection to go down, there is a greater burden on social services. More citizens collect unemployment, etc.

Immigration is a lose lose proposition. Our wages go down and tax burden goes up. You can't make the argument stick we are importing highly skilled immigrants because I work with them in the trenches. That argument is b.s.

I do think completely eliminating H1B visas is a net positive. There is zero need. You may be able to make a case for a dozen outliers but that would be the extent.

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[–] Dfens [S] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

It is a war on the middle class, much like what was going on in the South prior to the Civil War.

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[–] jthun2 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

You'd have to constrain the TN, OPT and other visas as well. Techies can get in on those classes of visa pretty easily.

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[–] obvious_throwaway1 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I do think completely eliminating H1B visas is a net positive.

I think we disagree there, when looking at the landscape today. With that said, as automation further displaces labor in the short-term future, your suggestion becomes more accurate.

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[–] lipids 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

target the labor-strapped jobs in the US as opposed to being cheap IT workers would likely be a good direction to go.

Bullshit. If those fields are that strapped for workers they can pay more and the high wages will justify more education and training. Exceptions could be made for ultra specific skills ala operation paperclip, but that hardly needs to be codified into law.

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[–] Pwning4Ever 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Another big thing is that companies that do say fuck it and move a tech team base in India end up regretting it after 3 years basically always. The h1b is what they need to push down wages.

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[–] Alpha_Voat_Protecter 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

So that's where the mythical "$15-per-hour" wage was hiding: it was being stolen from us by welfare-funded Somalians and gang-affiliated 'Spics.

Also, fuck Lindsay Graham. Mindlessly calling for more legal immigrants will just over-inflate the job market, drive down the average salary, lead to higher unemployment, and a higher welfare cost on the people who are now working a lower-paying job. He is literally calling for a policy that will do nothing but undo MAGA and give the Democrats more votes.

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[–] newoldwave 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

H1B's work cheap because they're just glad to be in the US and the employers know it.

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[–] NoisyCricket 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

And if they don't tow the line, they can be sent back with the flick of pen. They are basically blackmailed. They don't mind because it's still better than their own shithole.

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[–] jthun2 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Well, not all of them. There are SOME Canadians, Aussies, etc on H1Bs. Even the Chinese these days are not clearly being advantaged by living in the USA, when they can work for better tech companies in Shenzen.

The Indian street poopers, yes. Their country is a shithole.

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[–] newoldwave 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I've witness this government/corporate scam. They are paid less that Americans and will work a ton of overtime free with no complaints.

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[–] Schreiber 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

H1Bs are not the problem imo. They pay taxes and are law abiding since they are basically blackmailed cheap labor.

The problem are those unproductive illegals and everybody on welfare. They make ordinary Americans pay taxes for stupid shits like those and, wait for it, gender reassignment surgery.

I would take a depressed wage due to competition from foreign worker if I don't have to pay these stupid taxes. Much better than slightly higher wage and then the money gets stolen by IRS to feed prisoners and other dregs of society and fucking foreign AID.

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[–] Pwning4Ever 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This is 100% true, people rather live in us making 30k a year than India making 80k a year no doubt

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[–] trusty_thor 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

It's not just that indian "programmers" are foreign work, but they code for shit and they must leave their stations smelling like ass.

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[–] boredTech 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Fun fact, f1 program is flooding the colleges. https://www.happyschools.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/sevis-students-by-state.png

and these international students are taking over seats in the stem fields https://redbus2us.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/OPT-Students-F1-Students-H1B-Visa-2018-Stats.png

and then transfer to the same city that they graduated in

https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/the-geography-of-foreign-students-in-u-s-higher-education-origins-and-destinations/

Forty-five (45) percent of foreign student graduates extend their visas to work in the same metropolitan area as their college or university


So, what's my point? With higher rejection rates (because filling seats with foreigners causes locals to have to compete harder) universities get to amplify their status, and increase their tuition fees. With local seats filled it creates a local skill shortage and a higher demand on h1-bs. The foreigners while here can locate a local job sponsor who will take them on after they graduate, lowering the pay of the employers for that company. And, the cycle just keeps cycling (also, raising the college debt of the locals while making it harder to pay).

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[–] Pwning4Ever 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Regarding stem, yes it's true. We need to gets this stupid idea of going to college for "arts" out. In my computer science classes, the f1 to citizen ratio was far higher than the general admission

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[–] boredTech 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

We need to gets this stupid idea of going to college for "arts" out.

I have no problem with the arts. Do I think that they're nearly as useful to society, hell no, but if it wasn't being used as a communist propaganda platform then I'd have zero problem with people going to college for the arts.

the f1 to citizen ratio was far higher than the general admission

kind of the bi-product of high schools having excessively weakened their mathematics and science programs.

But, to get people into the stem fields you need to raise a desire to work in them from an early age (6-12 years old) and then properly mentor them till college. It's a lot harder to find somebody who is willing to sit indoors at minimum 8 hours a day, doing something that you can't really explain to others (My wife doesn't understand half of the words out of my mouth when I try to explain to her what I do. In the end I have to go low level and just say I make the silicon brick like me.) then it is to get somebody willing to go out and use all of their soft skills and get paid for it.

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[–] prairie 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Remember when politicians told you the truth? Yeah, I don't remember either.

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[–] MingMing 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

SA doesn’t have an H1B program that I’m aware of...

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[–] jthun2 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I thought the Bantu invaded SA. They were pushing the cape coloreds back when the Europeans first got there.

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[–] Schreiber 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

As expected from a guy on Soros payroll.

Proof that he's a globalist neocon (taken from wikipedia):

  • Graham supports an interventionist foreign policy.

  • Graham criticized fellow Senator Rand Paul

  • In May 2016, Graham refused to support or vote for Donald Trump

  • introduced new legislation to "limit President Trump's ability to fire special counsel

  • his willingness to be bipartisan and work with Democrats on issues like climate change, tax reform and immigration reform

  • asserting that "Congress might need to explore the need to limit some forms of freedom of speech

  • he was "glad" the NSA was collecting phone records.

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