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[–] Strelok_ 0 points 38 points (+38|-0) ago 

This. Police have already been pulling shit like this with fake cell phone towers and Stingray devices for years. But it's never enough for them, is it...

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[–] RoBatten 0 points 30 points (+30|-0) ago 

Once they get what they want, they start a "parallel investigation" that creates legal evidence from illegal evidence . . .

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[–] GIF-lLL-S0NG 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

It's already as legal as abortion. It's called CALEA.

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[–] TeranNotTerran 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I have worked in hosting and have never seen customer data given or even snapshotted without a court order. Maybe some companies are different, but it's a huge workload and privacy concern for most mildly sane companies.

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[–] 12259318? 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Dammit beat me to it. This is cover for already commit crimes.

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[–] theshopper 0 points 45 points (+45|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Oath of Office

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

So its Treason then..

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[–] GumbyTM 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Finally. Someone gets it.

The law is illegal and those who tried to pass it are guilty of treason.

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[–] TrueAmerican 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Yes the govt is treasonous. Welcome to reality for the past 40 years

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[–] trumpettown 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

If the police want to search the contents of the desk in my office, they need a warrant. But if they want to search the contents of my email or phone, that's fine. Everyone knows this is wrong but no one seems to care.

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[–] captainstrange 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Everyone knows this is wrong but no one seems to care.

Mostly the investment in solving the problem nationally isn't worth the pay off. Any victory will be undone by a slew of new bills, all with different names and wordings but the same outcomes.

Minor shit like this piles up eventually till people won't tolerate it any longer.

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[–] 12254870? 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures,

The way they get around it is right here.

Kind of like how your trash is considered in the public space. As soon as you use a company to host your data, legally a lot of the time they are now the owners of that data and they can decide what to do with it.

I'm not saying it's right, but it's within the amendment wording. They rake everything in the public space and companies who have no stake in your affairs for the data you gave to them for evidence of probable cause in order to get a warrant.

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[–] theshopper 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

True but aggregate data collection still violates the 4th amendment, and do we not own our TCP/UDP data packets as they are produced by our computers under our decision. I know social media TOS basically fucks you.

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[–] ThirteenthZodiac 2 points 40 points (+42|-2) ago 

...at what point do we finally say, "enough is enough," and burn this fucker to the ground?

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[–] Kannibal [S] 6 points 21 points (+27|-6) ago 

which is why people elected Trump.

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[–] chrisman01 4 points 28 points (+32|-4) ago 

So much for that with him wanting to ban gun accessories and crack down on entertainment media.

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[–] clamhurt_legbeard 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The understanding is, if they resist Trump metaphorically burning it to the ground, the people will rise up to literally burn it to the ground.

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[–] heroinwinsagain 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

no its not, one way or the other someone would get elected. its all controlled. its all by design.

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[–] whipcracker 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

Run into the street with a rifle overhead screaming "wolverine" if you look around and others are not doing it, its too soon.

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[–] eongoat 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

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[–] GumbyTM 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The chair is against the wall.

John has a long mustache.

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[–] gazillions 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Now. Now is the last chance.

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[–] RedditIsForLiberals 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Soon. It needs to be a mass purge. Coordinated. Swift. Unmerciful.

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[–] CheeseboogersGhost 3 points 4 points (+7|-3) ago  (edited ago)

100 smart snipers in every state--is what I read about somewhere. It couldn't be stopped.

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[–] NonyaBidness 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

Fuck "must pass". It's must not pass.

Read the Bills Act

One Subject at a Time Act

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[–] dude187 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Exactly. Any "must pass" bill is actually a "must throw in the trash and start over" bill. Not only that, but each piece needs to end up in its own bill.

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[–] clamhurt_legbeard 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

Congress should not be able to add things to bills PERIOD.

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[–] ZYX321 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Sure, take away yet another tool for negotiation and compromise. That'll help bring sanity.

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[–] clamhurt_legbeard 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

  • Support my bill and I'll support your bill.

  • Support my bill and I'll add your bill.

These are equivalent negotiations, except only one involves subverting the democratic process by adding something after people voted on it.

Your concerns about "taking away a tool" are silly and unfounded.

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[–] kammmmak 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

This is not American.

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[–] helpfultechguy 4 points 5 points (+9|-4) ago 

Stuff all dual citizens into ovens.

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[–] SirLongSchlongLXIX 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Which country will you go to? Is it safer than America?

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[–] helpfultechguy 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Why don't you just pick a country to be a part of then? Why do this whole "one foot in, one foot out" dual citizenship thing? You can renounce it at any time. Do you have a reason to have no allegiance, and therefore no loyalty to one's country?

Why don't you go back where you came from, since they are clearly backing you and your actions?

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[–] NeoFuturist 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Man I'm glad I haven't had any social media accounts since the early days of MySpace.

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[–] WhiteWakandan 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Voat is social media. Just not traditional social media.

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