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[–] NOAA 0 points 148 points (+148|-0) ago 

Well I think this is a win for the people, and to celebrate, lets go torrent something!

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[–] garnish 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

Yeah! But what?

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[–] mithiasis 0 points 118 points (+118|-0) ago 

Lets download a car!

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[–] MDKAOD 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

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[–] TripleDeke 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Definitely something legal, right?

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[–] profanion 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I torrented a few Linux software packages.

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[–] CombustibLemons 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

I always torrent "Don't download this song" by Weird Al. You can't tell me what to do!

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[–] ack 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

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[–] ajjminezagain 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

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[–] Devel 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I mean... They are still in jail in Sweden. I wouldn't call this a victory.

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[–] ChaoticNeutral 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Yeah, but it's swedish jail. They do a cruise for prisoners each year.

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[–] RagnarokAngel 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Sunde is definitely not still in jail.

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[–] Daniel_EJohnson 3 points -3 points (+0|-3) ago 

It's not a win for the content creators and the artists who are losing precious money. But hey, let's celebrate.

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[–] NOAA 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You mean the multi-millionaire celebrities? Oh, sorry, I should feel bad shouldn't I?

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[–] ProfKraken 0 points 74 points (+74|-0) ago 

Digital copyright cases should never be criminal. The majority of western copyright laws were written to combat massive bootlegging operations. It's insane that anyone in the modern world would consider copying software as theft.

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[–] THE_CHOSEN_ONE 3 points 15 points (+18|-3) ago 

So should copying software illegally be its own crime? I can get why it wouldn't be theft...you aren't physically taking something from someone. But technically you are stealing it.

Just trying to find your line of reasoning.

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[–] Eva-unit-001 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

It should be a purely civil case is what he's trying to say.

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[–] moe 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

I can get why it wouldn't be theft...you aren't physically taking something from someone

But technically you are stealing it.

Theft is the action of stealing. That's literally what it means. You are not stealing anything when you copy information unless you consider information to be property (i.e. you subscribe to the notion of "intellectual property").

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[–] anon44568821830 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

it's not theft... business people would just REALLY REALLY like to profit off of something that's free.

When R&D costs are properly calculated I'll then probably pay for something... and then only a fair cost of what the low end of the projected sales are. and if they make more than that, then maybe that's fair that they profit further.

All that being said, software packages like the humble bundle and open source software with people pouring their time and efforts into it is already working. So, it's probably to late for the type of model I suggested. Plus, there are greedy people out there that might copy it anyways. Plus, there are people who just can't afford it, and they could hit their bottom dollar any day, so it never makes sense to pay for it for them.

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[–] Ravenscroft 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It should be its own crime. With its own laws and rules.

The current rule is $250,000 per infraction, and failure to pay it is an imprisonable offense. This falls into the Absurdity laws, laws that sound good but don't work because the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Like how drug dealing around schools carries a higher penalty... But the area around schools is set to two mile radius... When is there not two schools within four miles of each other in a suburb or even urban area? Never, so you might as well just deal on the school grounds, penalty is the same as dealing elsewhere. In for a penny, in for a pound. Same with internet piracy: One infraction, just one, and you're bankrupt unless you're Rockefeller, and going bankrupt is a form of contempt of court, you're possibly going to jail too. So why stop at one? Why worry at all, as soon as one infraction is done, you're effectively dead, there is no impetus, no motivation, to lessen your illegal activity.

If the punishment were more realistic, you'd see a lot more support for the laws:

How about "downloading is fine, uploading is A Fine.", and charging something like 10x market value on the license? You get caught torrenting (which uploads) micheal jackson's top ten? $100, not $2,500,000. Not only would this increase public support, but it would remove IP trolls since there would be no profit in fighting in small claims court unless it actually WAS causing damage to your bottom line, and if it WAS causing damage to your bottom line, it would, in turn, be worth suing over.

I mean, I'm no lawyer, but the ones who thought this up weren't very educated in modern technology either, considering the laws pre-date the internet. They're stretching an old law to fit new things. Like saying "a horse is basically a car, so you need to hitch and tie your cars to a solid post using a leather strap if it is between dusk and down".

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[–] MiMx 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Criminal charges are brought when you effect the state. Civil is one where you more or less effect an individual. This is really a civil issue. Mostly thought b/c entertainment industry makes money, is audited, pays taxes, where as thepiratebay.org and other sites do not pay taxes to the US gov etc. So it is lost revenue.

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[–] Trolle 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago  (edited ago)

One of the battles won, the war still rages on

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[–] pepepepepe 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Still on the checklist:

  • Pardon Snowden

  • Free Dread Pirate Roberts

  • Dismantle illegal NSA surveillance

  • Legally enforce net neutrality

  • De-fang the RIAA/MPAA/ESA/etc and their lawsuit industrial complex

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[–] gpx 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

and stop nation-wide site blocks

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[–] joetravers 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

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[–] ALViper 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

HUHHHH YEAH

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[–] richardwas 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Better news than that resignation thing. I hope Voat will now stop being a place to talk about reddit & grow its own way

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[–] Trolle 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yes. I'm here to enjoy myself, not participate in some sort of shit stiring.

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[–] tiredtonight 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

What does this mean for the site itself? Will the servers that have been taken down go back up?

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[–] jayenomics [S] 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

I believe it just clears the four founders since they couldn't connect them to running the site at the time.

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[–] Kijad 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

This will also probably help set some legal precedent that will protect such ventures in the future, but yes this also means "we don't have sufficient evidence to successfully prosecute."

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[–] tiredtonight 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I suppose that's better than serving criminal sentences for such nonsense.

Could they run the site again, or would that land them with the same charges?

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[–] Cheese_Whizard 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Shouldn't be using TPB anyways, everyone knows it's all about Kickass Torrents now.

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[–] tiredtonight 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I use kickass when TPB fails. Been looking to join a private torrent community but can't get an invite to any. Wouldn't mind maintaining a ratio if it meant quality torrents.

Oh well! A pirate's life is the life for me, whether on kickass or TPB!

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[–] thealcoholist 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

KAT has been my go-to as well ever since the last "great takedown" of TPB... but yet there are times when what I'm looking for isn't on KAT but I find it on TPB.

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[–] Vespera 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Indeed. TPB always had a weak interface.
KAT let's you comment anonymously as well

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[–] glassuser 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The admins of KAT are real jerks though. They seem to support "uploaders" that take content from other groups and replace any attribution with their names and uploaders that take random junk and upload it as what they feel like. They'll complain to the admins if you thumbs-down anything they upload and the admins will threaten to ban you for it, even if it's mislabeled or doesn't work.

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[–] Wrecked 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The whole site can be fit onto a flash drive, anyone can download it and run their own "version" of pirate bay locally.

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[–] lunchtime 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The servers have been moved to the cloud for years now.

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[–] topperx 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Which just means they don't own te hardware but not much else.

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[–] Athideus 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Long live the Hydra!

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[–] juryando 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

What people don't understand is that the TTIP, which along with creating secretive extra-national court where corporations can sue governments that go against their interests, stamps severely on illegal downloading of copyrighted files.

No hydra can survive a boot stomping on everyone's face.

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[–] HexTq 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This needs to be more widely known

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[–] duncxan 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Hail Hydra!

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[–] ron_weasley 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Exactly, it did not matter what happens to this case. This many headed best will keep fighting even until the last TLD domain has been taken down by the oppressors. And even after that, there are other options like .info, .name, etc, isn't it?

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[–] Altairius 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Seriously. Whether you like it or not, TPB will last as long as the internet has any scrap of freedom. All you need to revive it is a 70 MB folder and a connection to the internet.

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[–] lokismoke 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It was a lack of proof, not a question of law that got these guys off the hook.

Unusually, the case was based in criminal law, with Svartholm, Neij, Sunde and Lundström all standing accused of a range of crimes including criminal copyright infringement and abuse of electronic communications. However, the case itself has always experienced problems.

All four defendants deny having had anything to do with the site since its reported sale to a Seychelles-based company called Reservella in 2006. That has proven problematic, since the period in which the four allegedly committed the crimes detailed in the Belgian case spans September 2011 and November 2013.

Having failed to connect the quartet with the site’s operations during that period, the case has now fallen apart. Yesterday a judge at the Mechelse Court ruled that it could not be proven that the four were involved in the site during the period in question.

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[–] midoriiro 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Rum for all and all for RUM!

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[–] dryitmat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

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[–] thegreatgabbi 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I am sympathetic with the four of them. Copyrights firms and the government agencies they work with have this very bad behaviour of trying to drown in legal processes the people who were able to outsmart and ridicule them. Gottfrid incarceration has been controversial, Fredrik Neij was hunted down like a terrorist and Sunde is a very idealistic person who had to suffer mostly because he tried to spread those ideas. Not a lot of people have the courage they showed

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