[–] theoldones 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

so business is coming here?

hell yeah. this is good

[–] the_sharpest_knife 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

It's so crazy that the media tries to make this out to be a bad thing.

[–] 3891776389 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I agree, NPR is currently reporting that these tariffs are having a negative impact on solar panel installation jobs. They provide no evidence of this, they say they can't provide any stats because it will happen after some time passes. They had nothing positive to say about it, they didn't even mention that the tariffs are bringing back solar panel manufacturing jobs back to America.

[–] 0iamlordeyayaya0 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I was listening to NPR chase their tail and try to make this a bad thing. Was funny how they can just 180 on topics from a year ago.

[–] mrtoker 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

A local company in my area is saying now projects won't be made because the panels costs too much. The problem with the US industry is that it is based on home installation. PV panels on homes is the least efficient way to increase solar output. Also there is a high chance you won't really recoup the investment you make even with the tax credit. I know a guy with a 40k system he paid up front. He still gets an electric bill.

Even with an 80% cut in PV panel costs why hasn't solar adoption increase all that much? The cost to set up a home system is virtually the same as it ever was 20 to 40k.

[–] Dildo-Shwaggins 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

I love how Trump turned Democrats into free trade proponents.

[–] Dfens [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Traditionally democrats have always been free trade proponents going back to the days of slavery. Funny thing about slave owners, they love low tariffs because it’s hard to find anyone who works for less than a slave.

[–] Fukredditt 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Even slaves do not work for free. You still have to feed, clothe, house, and guard them. Cheaper in the long run to automate and pay skilled workers.

[–] Ho-Lee-Fuk 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

That was quick.

[–] Pwning4Ever 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

What happened was Obama gave a shit ton of money to Solar City or w/e to make solar panels.

Because China did not respect that weak POS, they flooded our solar panel market with insanely cheap, government subsidized solar panels.

Trump is now telling China to fuck off.

[–] Adam_Jensen_ 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I believe it was Solyndra.

I heard from others here, Solyndra loans were part of a money funneling scheme. But don't quote me on it.

[–] mrtoker 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I heard that too, but a lot of American companies got shafted when the Chinese subsidized their solar industry to flood the market. German companies too were virtually wiped out of the industry.

[–] Trajan 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Solar City got money from NY State, Solyndra from Obama's stimulus program.

[–] DeltaBravoTango 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

And my Econ professor was just saying how the tariff was going to eliminate jobs (installers, salesmen, etc). It's still too early to say, but I think that this is a good sign.

[–] 3891776389 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The education system only hires brainwashed communists looks like...

[–] DeltaBravoTango 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

It might be that "brainwashed communists" are the only ones interested in becoming professors because that's the reputation that universities have. I bet there are lots of people who haven't become academics because they hate the kind of people that they would be around. Like a self fulfilling prophecy.

[–] DestroyerOfSaturn 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I concur.

[–] Dfens [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Tariffs allow us to keep the high paying, high skill jobs. They actually do what the so called economists told us free trade would do.

[–] DeltaBravoTango 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Her argument was that without cheap Chinese PV cells, that the price of solar power would go up. With solar being less affordable, fewer panels would be sold. This would hurt the people that sell and install them, costing 23,000 jobs. She didn't mention that the EU put a 30% tariff on Chinese solar last year.

[–] RoundWheel 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Not saying this is a bad deal because I don't know. But protectionism can also cause huge problems.

Because Trump's tarrifs disappear after five years this may not be terrible. But what happens after the tariff dries up and the community's incentive is done and for example it turns out we paid an extra $200,000 per job (for 50k/yr jobs) just to keep it here? Again, not saying this is the case but am playing devil's advocate.

Tldr be cautious of protectionism. Usually tax payers are the losers. Does this qualify? I dunno.

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