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[–] Pessimist 6 points 20 points (+26|-6) ago 

"Other countries use government employees for this - which results in a better product (because they actually care about the product,"

Oh, Wow! Good one! You really had me going until that part!

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[–] speedisavirus 5 points 14 points (+19|-5) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah, calling instant bullshit. The caliber of a government employee is literally the bottom of the barrel. If they were good they wouldn't be working for the government. Unless it's literally a function only the government really employs for.

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[–] 0fsgivin 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago  (edited ago)

While you have a point.

The only thing worse than a government employee is a government contractor. By a decent margin as well.

And if ya disagree pretty sure I've found the guy who has worked some government contracts now havn't I?

I work a county job. And ooooh boy. Maintenance fucking lazy and incompetent. But ya know who is worse? Any roofer/plumber/mason/tech That steps on site working a contract. They do indeed OBVIOUSLY fuck shit up on purpose.

Maintenance is incompetent and lazy sure...but MALICE? nah...they don't intentionally fuck shit up. They get caught doing that they can and have been fired. The conractors. We have learned to watch them like HAWKS and even then the fucks still fuck shit up. and steal....

And it's tough to blame some government departments just like anything else. You have the best department in the distrcit thats operating smoothly and effficiently? Your staff gets cut. My dept learned that lesson the hard way.

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[–] Men13 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The caliber of a government employee is higher than the Indian remote programmers the lowest-bidder contractor will use.

Also - that caliber problem is like that in the US, but not in many other countries. Do you have any idea how soul drenching it is to write these specs knowing they will result in a horrible product? Knowing that it would take you less time to write the whole website than to create such a defensive spec and go through the bidding process, only to see the bid go to a friend of some politician?

If you let government employees actually do the work, and actually create a good website that the entire country will use - you'll get much better people. People that are driven not by money, but rather by a sense of duty to their country.

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[–] bob3333 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The reason is basic market economics: skilled government jobs pay less, so there are less qualified in them. Low skill jobs like janitor pay more in government, but not skilled jobs.

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[–] Schreiber 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Especially true in some countries that has low IQ 60 niggers as government employees.

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[–] Inconceivable2 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Not everywhere in the world. America has slit its own throat with affirmative action, minority hiring quotas and lower requirements for everyone except whites. Put low IQ shitskins in front of a computer and they will type shitty and be as lazy as possible. IIRC, they can't be fired no matter how bad a job they do (or don't do).

Travel the world a bit and you'll see that much of the problems are a uniquely American issue.

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[–] Pessimist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yeah, our whole civil service system, which gives points for being minority is certainly pretty screwed up. But I think the general lack of a profit motive in government usually allows them to tolerate the poorest performance. I see that a lot here in my town, which is lilly white.

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[–] Pessimist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Man, I wish I had the answer to that. I want to say "culture", but then how to attain that? When I grew up (60's) people at least seemed to have some boundaries in terms of how crappy they would be. Know what I mean? I guess they had some sense of shame beyond certain limits. Nowadays, they don't seem to. Or, maybe the boundaries have just been moved.

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[–] bob3333 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Limit change orders to 10% or less of the total bid. Award preference points to contractors based on their change order rate in subsequent bids.

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[–] Men13 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Well, you know, it works.