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[–] freedumbz 1 points 36 points (+37|-1) ago 

I love it when Linus gets really really fucking angry. Also, I think the former option is where Intel is going to be taking this.

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[–] go1dfish 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago  (edited ago)

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[–] diodine 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Who would win: Terry A Davis or Linus Torvalds?

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[–] Master_Foo 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Intel just completely abandoned it's roadmap for future iX chips, implying that they are scrambling to build a new roadmap. I haven't heard anything official, but chip companies don't scrap roadmaps when they have a planed lifetime for a family of chips. It's a suicidal plan that would only happen if there were a major problem (which there is and hence the trashing of the roadmap).

So, I'd assume they are actually trying to unfuck themselves by planning a new unfucked chipset. I've got my popcorn handy, but I'm hoping Intel is being smart about it. The abandonment of the roadmap gives me some hope.

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[–] freedumbz 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I hope you bought stock in popcorn this shit is going to get good

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[–] kevf4 1 points 35 points (+36|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Intel is too concerned with diversity and would rather ship garbage then hire too many white guys.

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[–] go1dfish 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago  (edited ago)

This vulnerability was introduced when the biggest source of diversity within intel was the Blue Man Group.

2 pentium generations before that even.

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[–] Apathy 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

And the issue continued for over a decade. What does that tell you about their current engineers.

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[–] Laurentius_the_pyro 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago  (edited ago)

Yes it was definitely those (((totally white))) engineers

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[–] freedumbz 3 points 11 points (+14|-3) ago 

ANYTHING to make that extra shekel

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[–] WilliamCutting 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

Never forget. (((((INTEL)))))

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[–] EllenPaosEgo 3 points 12 points (+15|-3) ago 

Their factories are in Israel. Of course they would put in backdoors.

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[–] revofire 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

They sponsored Feminist Frequency. From there I've vowed to no longer ever build with Intel.

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[–] Creativity1488 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Jesus Christ. I believe AMD is owned by Jews anyway so you can't get away from this. I also believe Xbox and PS4 are either owned by the same group or are at the very least forced to go in the direction that will benefit someone as if they were owned by the same person/group. Same with Android and Apple. There is almost always only 2 main competitors. Why is that?

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[–] SegFault 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

This was way too mild. I hope he has a much longer rant waiting to drop at the next fuck-up related to this bug.

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[–] Hmmm 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

I think he's restraining himself because he KNOWS perfectly well that anything he says in regard to this issue is gonna be plastered all over the net within minutes. I respect the man a lot, and I wish I can shake his hand or maybe buy him a beer one day. Trully one of the greats.

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[–] Master_Foo 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

I was thinking the other day about the vast fuckton of internet infrastructure runs on Linux, and the fact that the top 50 supercomputers all run Linux, and on top of all that, the proliferation of Android for the user side of things...

I wouldn't disagree if someone were to speculate that this Linus guy... He's quite possibly the most important person alive on this whole planet right now. If there is a secret doomsday bunker somewhere for important people to go when shit hits the fan, Linus Fucking Torvalds probably gets priority over the President.

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[–] un1ty 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Glad I went to AMD and never looked back - and it was really a price decision, not performance.

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[–] xobodox 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Do you know how hard it is to find a non-AMD laptop?

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[–] lord_nougat 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Not hard at all. What's hard is finding an all AMD laptop.

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[–] revofire 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Ryzen has to hit the laptops and then I'll buy, I won't buy any mobile devices until that rollout.

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[–] lbruiser 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Doesn't Ryzen use Intel bits that were affected?

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[–] Tb0n3 4 points 1 points (+5|-4) ago 

AMD and ARM may well be affected as well.

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[–] Pessimist 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

AMD may be affected in the sense that so far they don't seem to be making the fix specific to Intel processors. That would make the AMD processors face the same performance hit as the Intels, even though they aren't guilty.

It would be naive to believe that Intel is not applying pressure to insure that the fix is brand neutral.

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[–] Mr_Quagmire 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I've heard that they are affected and that they aren't. Which is it?

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[–] bloodguard 11 points 12 points (+23|-11) ago 

This is actually pretty mild by Linus standards.

Suspiciously mild.

Makes me wonder if someone pulled on his leash and said "we know you have to say something harsh but make sure to keep it pretty low effort and toned down".

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[–] EBTFatty 7 points 24 points (+31|-7) ago 

Fuck off. Not everything is a conspiracy you nigger.

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[–] KikeFree 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

It's well known that the pessimist reality is true.

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[–] 8_billion_weiners 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

Imagine living life like that.

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[–] Locked_Account 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

And this post makes me even more suspicious of this being no fucking accident.

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[–] ShineShooter 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

Obvious shill

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[–] Master_Foo 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I don't think there is anyone tugging at Torvald's leash on this one. Torvalds is ruthless when something happens in kernel space that he flat out doesn't want. He is saying here that he does want the kernel to go in a specific direction with this security flaw. That there needs to be a configuration to patch up Intel specific bugs, but if it is compiled for non-Intel devices, they don't get the same performance problems associated with the patch.

So, Linus is using a great deal of diplomacy here. He doesn't want to be vitriolic because he sees a better solution and wants to implement that solution. This, as opposed to just burning a bad idea into the ground, which is almost always the case when he goes into classic "Torvalds-Super-Sayan-Level-99-Rage-Mode".

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[–] Locked_Account 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Accident my hiney. Our spooks went to the software guys and had them put in backdoors, but not the hardware guys?

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[–] B3bomber 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Yup. There is no way in hell this didn't have at least the NSA involved on the decision. This one was easily accepted since it gave a performance boost in some instances that was really wanted along with the compromised security bonus the government wanted.

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[–] Amok 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The reason seems pretty obvious, given that Linus works for the Linux Foundation that is funded and controlled by large industry players like Intel. Punching down to subordinates is easy but with his own bosses he clearly will push for basic technical clarification and quality, without too harshly biting the hand that feeds him. Others are already doing that anyway.

This is to be expected to maintain a functional work environment and I'm not that bothered. The careless normalization of non-GPL licenses as well as the corporate coke-hold driven development of fundamental pieces like systemd and snaps-like deployment have done much more harm to the Linux movement in recent years.

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[–] Baconmon 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

AMD masterrrrace (@ ̄ω ̄)b

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[–] crustyjuggler 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm kinda pissed I bought a 7700 now.

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[–] truthwoke33 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You bought from jews. I dont know what you expected.

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[–] voats4goats 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Arm64 Linus? Why you no love AMD?

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[–] xobodox 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Linus has worked with ARM and believes that ARM is to CPUs as Linux is to OSes.

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[–] voats4goats 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

He's just sour because Transmeta* failed horribly ;)

(*En light of all the gender fluids terms nowadays, this name did not age well lol)

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[–] BlockMe 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Wait till he sees 64 bit server class risc-v chips.

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[–] lbruiser 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

https://archive.is/Xq6VK

From Linus Torvalds <> Date Wed, 3 Jan 2018 15:51:35 -0800 Subject Re: Avoid speculative indirect calls in kernel

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Andi Kleen andi@firstfloor.org wrote: This is a fix for Variant 2 in https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.html

Any speculative indirect calls in the kernel can be tricked to execute any kernel code, which may allow side channel attacks that can leak arbitrary kernel data.

Why is this all done without any configuration options?

A competent CPU engineer would fix this by making sure speculation doesn't happen across protection domains. Maybe even a L1 I$ that is keyed by CPL.

I think somebody inside of Intel needs to really take a long hard look at their CPU's, and actually admit that they have issues instead of writing PR blurbs that say that everything works as designed.

.. and that really means that all these mitigation patches should be written with "not all CPU's are crap" in mind.

Or is Intel basically saying "we are committed to selling you shit forever and ever, and never fixing anything"?

Because if that's the case, maybe we should start looking towards the ARM64 people more.

Please talk to management. Because I really see exactly two possibibilities:

  • Intel never intends to fix anything

OR

  • these workarounds should have a way to disable them.

Which of the two is it?

              Linus
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