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[–] 11525882? 0 points 44 points (+44|-0) ago 

Oy. All this shite with intel goes down right after I bought my first intel machine in 15 years. Was purely AMD before this. Time to find out if my CPU is affected.

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[–] Troll [S] 0 points 51 points (+51|-0) ago 

If your Intel is produced in the past decade, chances are it's affected.

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[–] 11525921? 0 points 36 points (+36|-0) ago 

Shit.

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[–] Horizonprinter 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

Well Fuck my i5 4690s. Made that system 4 or 5 years ago

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[–] Pwning4Ever 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

fuck, i thought this was just for Intels new chip.

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[–] go1dfish 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

In the past two decades you mean.

Issue was introduced in 1995

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_Pro

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[–] go1dfish 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

The newest intel CPU currently confirmed to be unaffected is the original pentium.

Pentium Pro onwards is potentially vulnerable.

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[–] Vic_V 0 points 37 points (+37|-0) ago 

Is this why John Titor needed the IBM 5100?

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[–] AnmanIndustries 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I have 3 pentium 1s in my garage. $500 each. Good deal, good deal....

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[–] malloryquinn 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I was posting elsewhere betting it was the 'advanced features of the Pentium Pro' onward that were fucked up.. I hate it when I'm right. although it makes my $50 purchase of a 386 looking all the smarter!

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[–] 5hmgKuCRU 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

If your CPU was manufactured between 1995 and now it's basically affected...

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[–] go1dfish 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

It’s not yet clear if AMD processors are quite as vulnerable.

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[–] this_is_my_4th_acct 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I've been a brand whore for AMD since I bought my first video card. Back then I used to tell people that I am "ATI till I die"

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[–] tarnished_spoons 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

That's a gay catchphrase, but supporting AMD is cool.

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[–] StillNewbie 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Did you study AMD cpu architecture, made security analysis and tests, did the same with Intel products before you made you decision? If no then it’s just luck. That said, being blindly loyal to any corporation, no matter their track record is just making another risky bet. One must be prudent and re-evaluate where particular brand stands at the moment, what competitors are offering etc.

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[–] mleczko 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

i am getting upgrade soon, guess ryzen 7 1800 it is.

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[–] BentAxel 1 points 37 points (+38|-1) ago 

CEO stock sale makes more sense now

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[–] klobos 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

Wouldn't that be considered insider trading though? I'm pretty sure the ceo can't do that.

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[–] Norseman 1 points 64 points (+65|-1) ago 

(((laughs)))

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[–] GoatyMcGoatface 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

it's legal just so long as it make great benefit for glorious nation of Khazar-stan

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[–] firex726 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

It is... but if he leaves the country it'll be a decade before he faces any fines to be paid.

Assuming he does not just pay off a few people in Washington to not worry about it.

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[–] BentAxel 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

He reported the sales, was all done above board. That's how we know he dumped them.

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[–] weezkitty 2 points 22 points (+24|-2) ago 

Welp. I'm turning auto updates off on Windows and adding nopti to my Linux command lines. They can take their 30% performance loss and shove it. I'm more worried about getting my money worth out of my hardware than this exploit when there are thousand other back doors out there

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[–] Its_over_9000 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

I heard class action lawsuit payouts tend to be pretty small (per individual). It's the lawyers who make the money off those.

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[–] jizzswizzler 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Aw mr intel, thanks for the $250 voucher for the microsoft store...

but youre gonna need to pony up a lot more than that to make me legally whole.

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[–] raw 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

If you go down that path, then make sure that you don't have sensitive data on that computer.

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[–] tribblepuncher 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It's questionable if you should have had auto-updates on anyway. Although a lot of people think they're some panacea, they're far from it, and they make a dandy back door to your computer for Microsoft. Considering the spyware they crammed into Windows 10, this is a rather real concern.

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[–] Hmmm 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

I remember seeing on Hacker News some retard defending Brian Krzhanich with "this is totally normal guys, these people have scheduled stock sales". I smelled the bullshit right away, but I wasn't sure why. Now I know why.

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[–] BlockMe 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It's true that all insiders have to schedule stock sales and they do, but I don't think they actually have to sell on that date.

So if they think things are going well, they hold on till the next cycle.

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[–] crustyjuggler 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What shady shit. "Oh yeah, it was planned long before, here is the proof". Never mind that it's basically a get-out-of-jail-free card if they just set up scheduled stock dumping and cancel it constantly when they don't need to.

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[–] foltaisaprovenshill 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Yeah they're gaslighting hard. Doing a scheduled stock sale doesn't automatically make it NOT insider trading. Whether or not it's insider trading is entirely predicated on whether or not the person making the trade had insider knowledge before the public shareholders did.

Which we already know, he did.

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[–] worthlesshope 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It didn't go down much. Intel is so diluted this news hardly had an affect on it's price. If there was an over 15% drop or maybe even over 10% drop it'd be kinda fishy. But a 7% drop isn't really worth insider trading accusations. Insiders probably could have safely sold after news broke.

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[–] Hmmm 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yeah, I do find the marginal drop to be pretty annoying. I could understand a 7% drop if this affected the newest or second newest generation of CPUs or something like that, but pretty much ALL CPU's ever produced? 7% is an absurdly small drop in stock price.

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[–] glassuser 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

All those points ARE true. It's so the public can smell this kind of bullshit sale instead of it being completely hidden.

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[–] Cat-hax 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Damn it, before I finally bought an Intel I had nothing but trouble with AMD and Radeon video cards 7 years ago, I have had the same PC since 2012 with little problems running an Intel it, oh well. Edit, was just thinking how many different architecture of chips this could effect and if those chips were used in vehicals , now that cars,trucks,busses,planes are Mobile hotspots they could be effected and might not get updates.

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[–] Alpha_Voat_Protecter 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

how many different architectures this could effect

Every Intel board since the Pentium has the potential of being infected (including the Pentium Pro).

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[–] malloryquinn 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

It starts with the out of order execution on the Pentium Pro. Basically it's that pinnacle point where Intel destroyed the RISC market. IBM is the sole survivor because of their captive mainframe audience. It took SUN too long to figure out that chipzilla killed RISC in 1995.

Too bad there is a fundamental flaw that has been there for nearly 23 years now. How is that for an industry fuck up?

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[–] O_oaa 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

What about chips affected by Spectre?

Edit: Yes, I'm just throwing this out there.

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[–] B3bomber 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What was the issue with Radeon cards?

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[–] Sk8rminion 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

shitty drivers, rendering artifacts in lots of games, crashes due to overheating at times due to driver issues, and not throttling back the card in the warmer months. I will still probably stick with amd however. I have had too many issues with nvidea and poor QA and them shipping defective chips to 3rd party manufacturers and then not standing behind them so they don't want to fix blatant known issues that many people are having under warranty.

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[–] Muffins_on_Tuesdays 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

this is why i turn off auto-update

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[–] AinzOown 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Seriously. I got so sick of Windows updates. Turned them off years ago and oddly enough, haven't had a problem since.

I'm probably vulnerable or some shit but I'm betting any bug I may encounter because of it will only be half as annoying as the updates.

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[–] tribblepuncher 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Auto-updates are not some sort of cure-all, even though a lot of security folks seem to think they are. They're a back door for Microsoft, and considering the spyware they crammed into Windows 10, you can't really trust them to be the "good guys." You never could, but this underscores their attitude towards their customers. Plus, I've had far more harm done by updates than I ever have from malware.

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[–] Apathy 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I haven't heard this bit about nvidia gpu's getting fucked on an intel platform. This should be interesting.

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[–] go1dfish 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Same would like to see a source for this if one can be found.

Intel/nvidia has been the best VR platform so far and what I went with for my Vive box. Gonna be pissed if I can’t maintain 90fps on my games anymore.

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[–] Saufsoldat 4 points 0 points (+4|-4) ago 

Because it's bullshit. But voat loves to pretend that AMD is the best thing ever even though their GPUs are absolute shit.

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[–] B3bomber 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Both Intel and nshittya have a history of being outright dirty companies. Much more-so than AMD/ATI. Is it too much to hope we actually have a decent choice? At least AMD hinted that they can disable their "management engine" without nuking the boot process. I'd really like it if they did set it to disabled by default.

Intel won't admit that because it would mean official disclosure of the HAP bit the US government requires exist so they can bypass ME for government computers.

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[–] ten_comments_is_dumb 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

As an AMD guy, how will the slowdown patches affect me? AMD CPU, Radeon graphics. Is MSFT going to sabotage my performance because many dumbshits use intel?

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[–] GumbyTM 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Info is not fully released yet so no one knows anything for sure but from everything I've seen AMD should not be affected performance wise. As of this afternoon this problem now affects basically everyone. ARM, AMD and Intel.

The mitigation for this is a software workaround (kernel patch) AMD says theirs won't hit performance.

Sauce:

http://fortune.com/2018/01/03/intel-kernel-security-flaw-amd/

AMD said its chips were affected by some but not all of a series of related security exploits uncovered by researchers. AMD has already developed a simple software fix for its chips that will not impact PC performance, an AMD spokesman said. “Due to differences in AMD’s architecture, we believe there is a near zero risk to AMD processors at this time,” the company said in a statement. “We expect the security research to be published later today and will provide further updates at that time.”

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[–] MetalAegis 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

What would the potential harm be if hypothetically one had an AMD machine and decided not to update/patch at all?

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[–] jizzswizzler 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

yeah intel isnt M$

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[–] Aliens_R_Us 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

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[–] lanre 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yes, appears so at this point. Possibly same on Linux but you could probably disable that.

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[–] Salbuchi_2019 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

AMD landed a kernel patch that disables this shit if an AMD CPU is detected.

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[–] LewsTherinTelamon 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

You can, thus far, disable it with a kernel boot parameter.

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