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[–] Troll 24 points 77 points (+101|-24) ago 

I'm extremely suspicious to any shit Obama signed while in the office. This whole Net Neutrality thing was his brain child, and while he was signing shit into laws we saw sites being taken down, the rise of the biggest surveillance system in the world, corporate censorship, huge corporations like Google and Apple fighting against democracy, ISPs doing shit that should be illegal like packet injection, information suppression, etc. etc. etc...

So, you will excuse for not shedding a tear for "Net Neutrality" and how fucking great it was. I'll see how this plays out before I decide to make an opinion out of it. If I wake up tomorrow to see Voat gone, I'll know it's bad. If I wake up to see Reddit gone, I'll know it's good.

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[–] common_sense 8 points 60 points (+68|-8) ago 

If I wake up to see Reddit gone, I'll know it's good.

The fuck? Didn't everyone come to Voat specifically because they hated censorship? I don't want any site censored, whether it's Reddit, Voat, Breitbart, Huffington Post, etc.

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[–] ardvarcus 5 points 38 points (+43|-5) ago 

I don't support censorship. I do, however, want Reddit to die.

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[–] Runaway-White-Slave 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago 

No we didn't all come from Peddit, although I've been aware of it for years, one click and a quick look around years ago was enough to see it was cancer even if it wasn't stage 4 at that time....

I don't want to 'censor' Peddit either, but considering they protect pedophile groups, or the 'hebe', wtfe kid-fuckery sub-Peddits.... While condemning and censoring anything white, male, and heterosexual.... They can fucking die, of ass-cancer.

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[–] freshmeat 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

Voat has censorship.

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[–] FlamingoBumblebee 3 points 1 points (+4|-3) ago 

agreed.

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[–] BlockMe 3 points 15 points (+18|-3) ago 

You have to think of network connectivity as a utility.

What if your power cost more if you're running an AC vs lighting? They can't do that now, but as smart metering kicks and (shudder) IOT devices, wanna bet they won't try to charge more for one over the other?

What if gas cost more if you're driving out of town?

What's going to happen is the last mile provider is going to charge carriage fees from high bandwidth services.

Fecesbook will try to get priority by cutting deals with ISPs. They've already tried this in Africa and Asia.

Wikipedia did this too.

(It backfired spectacularly as someone figured out how to use their free services for piracy, but that's another story. )

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[–] SweetyMcQ 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Uhhh what? This is a horrible example... The unit cost of electricity doesnt change between lights and AC but you god damn better believe AC draws more kilowatts than standard lighting circuits. That means it is more expensive to run your AC.

The same parallel can be said for internet. Visiting a website doesnt take much data transmission but viewing a movie does. Im not saying i like that my internet would or could cost more but at least it does make sense.

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[–] derram 7 points 15 points (+22|-7) ago 

That's because the entire argument was hollow fear mongering about what ISPs might consider doing. The only evidence for the argument was infographs about traffic and television pricing.

Our media now focus on journalist feelings instead of what the journalist saw or heard so all anyone looking to be informed knows is what some asshat emotes about a subject.

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[–] Grunge 5 points 10 points (+15|-5) ago  (edited ago)

If Obama came out with a bill that was titled "For the good of the people" and inside that bill it said that we must pay 90% of our income taxes to them for the sole purpose of giving it to the Rothschild's so they can have even more money. And then it gets repealed, the reaction would be exactly the same as their reaction to NN.

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[–] Vhaine 8 points 7 points (+15|-8) ago 

Sounds like your IT crew are dolts.

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[–] LazarusLong 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I got them all to agree that more government regulation is always bad, then asked why this was the one exception to that.

There is a chance that so many anti-competition laws and other unconstitutional regulations have been put in place that the free market may not be able to function, in this case.

We basically have a choice now between a government controlled internet and a government enforced monopoly.

Don't know which one I prefer to be honest.

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[–] EIMR 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

I've heard that Net Neutrality was actually for censoring. Title II gives licenses which can be revoked if they break the law. Hidden law passed inside military budget makes it so that distributing state and non-state propaganda is illegal.
Thus, they consider anything which doesn't suck their dick propaganda, and thus ISPs must remove it.

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[–] R34p_Th3_Wh0r1w1nd 5 points 33 points (+38|-5) ago 

I'll let it play out. IMO both sides of the issue fuck us. Lose/lose like most elections.

In theory killing it, could bring competition in service and rates.

Keeping it, guarantees more of the same = highest rates for the slowest speeds in the world. Places in Africa have faster Internet then the USA.

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[–] newt446 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

I'm curious how killing net neutrality would bring more competition. I see a lot of people on Voat defending the judgement today, and I haven't heard good arguments against net neutrality aside from "It's what reddit wants", and "Obama put it into place". I understand that it's possible that nothing will actually change, but how was net neutrality affecting us negatively in the first place? From my understanding it was just restricting ISPs from prioritizing some websites over others. I'm actually curious why you guys hate it.

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[–] Ghetto_Shitlord 3 points 4 points (+7|-3) ago 

It won't, it's hated simply because it happened on Obama's watch.

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[–] BiscuitFever 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

Current laws and regulations make it impossible for new companies to enter the ISP market. Net neutrality was written by the current monopolies.

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[–] OriginalReaper 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I really think these are advanced shills. I have a hard time believing no one can see how lousy an argument is or how a decision affects people.

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[–] peacegnome 2 points 13 points (+15|-2) ago 

I agree, but on the upside supporters of big government are upset.

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[–] Alpha_Voat_Protecter 1 points 20 points (+21|-1) ago 

As a Libertarian, I feel a great sense of schadenfreude whenever big government cries.

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[–] derram 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

One side of the issue considers us customers, the other considers us products.

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[–] prairie 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

And the other considers us cattle.

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[–] idk 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's weird seeing you when you're not a bot!

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[–] lube_it_with_blood 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

You're an idiot. There is absolutely no reason why differential treatment should create wider broadband distribution. None. Dismantling your local monopolies would be the American thing to do, but it seems this country is less than it used to be. Just a catering to banks and corporations now. End of an empire.

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[–] Dereliction 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You've got it exactly right. It's the strange social delusion that government breaks monopolies when it's so clearly the king at making and maintaining them.

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[–] Fitblue 4 points 25 points (+29|-4) ago 

I find it utterly ironic when companies like Twitter, Facebook, and Reddit preach about net neutrality. The hypocrisy is sickening.

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream 3 points 11 points (+14|-3) ago 

that's because net neutrality isn't anything that they say it is

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[–] egoldstein 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Facebook/Google actually reversed and became anti net neutrality. That's because they can pay up to the ISPs but voat and future startups cannot. It solidifies their monopoly. As much as I am against big government, certain scarce things like highways, airport runways, last mile wires to apartment buildings have to be neutral and thus regulated.

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[–] Redpill_Bluepill 4 points 21 points (+25|-4) ago  (edited ago)

Oh my god! it will be just like before Obama was President, we're doomed, doOMED!

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[–] 11358289? 4 points 7 points (+11|-4) ago 

I know, right?!? Since when did Voat become so leftist? Crying about legislation that the leftist commies are crying over? WTF?

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[–] dontdoxxmefaggots 4 points 9 points (+13|-4) ago 

the pro net neutrality propaganda has been super effective

idiots think these are their own organic thoughts

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago  (edited ago)

actually his NN enforcement only went into effect in 2015 so it'll be just like 2014

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[–] glassuser 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

No, it was a founding principal and enforced just fine before then.

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[–] Saufsoldat 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Actually, NN rules have been partially enforced since the 90s, they were just codified in 2015 as a result of Comcast suing the FCC.

Have fun being an ignorant moron and who will never deviate from the party line.

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[–] Grunge 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Things weren't even good right before Obama, then things got drastically worse. I think we're good.

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[–] vastrightwing 5 points 7 points (+12|-5) ago 

We'll all have to get raped by big telecom before anyone will notice that big telecom all lied. Just like they always have.

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream 8 points -1 points (+7|-8) ago 

yeah I remember how awful it was in 2014 before obama made the FCC enforce net neutrality, oh wait there wasn't any real problem

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[–] Ghetto_Shitlord 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

I guess your memory needs a little help:

2005 – North Carolina ISP Madison River Communications blocked VoIP service Vonage.

2005 – Comcast blocked or severely delayed traffic using the BitTorrent file-sharing protocol. (The company even had the guts to deny this for months until evidence was presented by the Associated Press.)

2007 – AT&T censored Pearl Jam because lead singer criticized President Bush.

2007 to 2009 – AT&T forced Apple to block Skype because it didn’t like the competition. At the time, the carrier had exclusive rights to sell the iPhone and even then the net neutrality advocates were pushing the government to protect online consumers, over 5 years before these rules were actually passed.

2009 – Google Voice app faced similar issues from ISPs, including AT&T on iPhone.

2010 – Windstream Communications, a DSL provider, started hijacking search results made using Google toolbar. It consistently redirected users to Windstream’s own search engine and results.

2011 – MetroPCS, one of the top-five wireless carriers at the time, announced plans to block streaming services over its 4G network from everyone except YouTube.

2011 to 2013 – AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon blocked Google Wallet in favor of Isis, a mobile payment system in which all three had shares. Verizon even asked Google to not include its payment app in its Nexus devices.

2012 – AT&T blocked FaceTime; again because the company didn’t like the competition.

2012 – Verizon started blocking people from using tethering apps on their phones that enabled consumers to avoid the company’s $20 tethering fee.

2014 – AT&T announced a new “sponsored data” scheme, offering content creators a way to buy their way around the data caps that AT&T imposes on its subscribers.

2014 – Netflix started paying Verizon and Comcast to “improve streaming service for consumers.”

2014 – T-Mobile was accused of using data caps to manipulate online competition

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[–] malloryquinn 4 points 5 points (+9|-4) ago 

YAY! Fuck corporate control of the internet. After the outster of stormfront all you failfags should stop sucking corporate cock, and put the power into an organization that BY LAW CANNOT INTERFERE WITH THE PRESS!@

Jesus H Christ, did IQ points drop sharply while I was gone?

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[–] prairie 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

One symptom if IQ drop is seeing others as idiots.

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[–] malloryquinn 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

One symptom if IQ drop is not seeing obvious references mostly at night.

Mostly.

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[–] 9-11 14 points 5 points (+19|-14) ago 

Big gov't socialists are crying...

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[–] Alois_sticklgruber 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

So what, we plebs/serfs have no power with or without it.

With it dailystormer was shut down, without it netflix might cost more.

As Bart says, "we damned if we do, damned if we dont".

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