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[–] DiscontentedMajority 1 points 31 points (+32|-1) ago  (edited ago)

The problem that created a need for net neutrality is that ISPs have struck deals with towns and states to be the only provider allowed to provide service in a given area.

If they are the government mandated provider of a service, they should be classed and regulated as a utility.

I personally feel that the best way to solve the issue is to force line sharing or for the local municipality own the lines and lease them to whatever ISP you pick. That way we could have some actual competition amongst ISPs and NN wouldn't be needed.

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[–] frenemy 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

that would actually fix the problems. to bad it will never happen.

twc and comcast own the broadband market and they are both fucking horrible. any choice would be nice. none will be given until someone does a near earth orbit sat network.

the ground war is lost.

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[–] TremorAcePV 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

own the broadband market

That should've never happened for more reasons than just moral and business ones. Primarily financial ones.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-kushnick/the-book-of-broken-promis_b_5839394.html

TL;DR:

The Government paid Verizon, AT&T, and CenturyLink (and other ISPs) $400B to give America Fiber Optic internet by a certain date (that has already past), and we clearly don't have it.

What happens when a person doesn't uphold their end of the contract? They get fee'd to death.

What happens when a large corporation doesn't uphold their end of the contract to the American People? Fucking nothing apparently. They get to keep theirs and the US people are just shit out of luck.

This infuriates me on levels I can't communicate.

We need a class action law suit. And we needed it years ago.

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[–] slwsnowman40 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

There are some towns where that happens.

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[–] Grunge 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

yup, this problem can only be solved with a genuine free market with actual competition. Right now these internet companies collude with each other and fix the prices for the market, a method that I thought was supposed to be illegal but I guess not.

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[–] 4775795f4d616e 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

It's pretty surprising how many issues can be fixed with more capitalism and not less. Leftist policies are nearly universally destructive.

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[–] fusir 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's a good example of where my ideas for anti-trust could work. The problem with breaking up a company is that then it just make regionalized monopolies.

A monopoly should be determined as if given a specific address can you predict what company they will use with 95% certainty?

If so you tell the company that they must advertise their competitors in all areas they have over lap. Not every area has overlap but there are a few small isps. Imagine the advantage of having free advertising from a major company. Those companies will grow if they are decent and can handle scaling. If they can't a million other eager beavers will recognize the opportunity.

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[–] dodgesbullets 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

A lot of the issue is the high barrier to entry to lay new lines. Plus the existing telecoms do whatever they can to block new providers access. I say any community with less than 3 providers in each broadband category (line, mobile, satellite etc) should regulate them as a utility.

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[–] A6-EGO 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I believe that you can have a market that is free for the companies or for the people, but not for both. Freedom for the people requires regulation to prevent monopolies and to give smaller companies a chance. Telling people that the solution is the free market and that you should just support a different ISP does not do more good when your entire area only has the choice of one ISP.

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[–] Fromundacheese 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Your spot on. In my little town we are forced into a garbage ISP (I know all ISP are) but it they got rights over our town and 15 miles on either side us you get a choice between ATT,Charter and a local brand while we only get shitty ass frontier who is owned by Verizon. They only other options are satellite but I'm not forking out what they want for that garbage. I did a lot of digging in my area to find out how this came to be and its all because some dickhead local mayors and other gov in my area got paid directly into their pockets for this ISP to have control of the area.

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[–] Ghetto_Shitlord 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Line sharing please. The idea has a proven working model, MVNO's in cellular.

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[–] tendiesonfloor 9 points 17 points (+26|-9) ago  (edited ago)

Wow, what a fucking Straw Man. They're going to have you redditfags begging, crying and sucking cock en mass to get your hands on some sweet, Comcast/ATT/Verizon written 'net neutrality'

You're being gamed you gullible faggots.

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[–] foltaisaprovenshill 3 points 5 points (+8|-3) ago 

Yeah the corporate redefined "net neutrality" is a huge scam to let them censor the internet in order to force you to buy their content and look at ads.

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[–] fusir 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

It was from the beginning. It's mandated buffetism. Prices are going to go up.

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[–] 11135508 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

yes,
American net neutrality isn't really neutral
but what else would you expect?

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[–] TeranNotTerran 5 points -3 points (+2|-5) ago 

AskVoat would be good for that as just a discussion thread. If I see this I think the OP is serious and usually downvote.

My living entirely revolves around the internet and I think a legally mandated net neutrality is a bad idea. I am sure you could have some EA-level awfulness in a few ISPs, but I think it's something that will sort itself out. Especially if more ISPs get to market and there are fewer government-sponsored monopolies.

Of course blocking basic access to sites or slowing them down will have an impact but that's easily bypassable by the tech savvy. I think having a few bad non-neutral ISPs would quickly result in complaints and taint the image badly. It just needs a catch tagline.

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[–] TeranNotTerran 8 points 6 points (+14|-8) ago 

This is a Reddit-tier post. Not an argument.

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[–] SuperPenorBros 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

You know the first thing they will do when nn is abolished is blocking sites like voat, right?

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[–] knightwarrior41 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago  (edited ago)

shhh they arent supposed to know this until is very late.meanwhile,let them keep fighting over politics, after all they love capitalism so much that they wouldnt mind to pay extra or to be censored heavily as long as they get their internet points

btw,i'm pro free market myself but i'm also aware that consumers needs protection from predatory practices

also remember that karl marx communist manifesto was called "das kapital" because of state capitalism which is another name for communism.having pro consumer policies is not the same as being a socialist or communist its just having common sense

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[–] SuperPenorBros 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

I am also pro free market, but pro-free market people renouncing nn in this world are like pacifist soldiers renouncing guns during war.

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[–] MannKepetry 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

ITT: cucks sucking Ajit Pais wryly bamboo shoot.

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[–] Master_Foo 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

I love me a free market. But, I'm not so full of my own bullshit that I can't see that some markets require some regulation.

The internet doesn't really need all that much regulation. Just something that says, "Internet service acts as a dumb pipe transporting bits from this address to that address. It doesn't matter where the bits are from... It doesn't matter what the bits are... Someone payed you to transport those bits... SO, FUCKING DO IT!"

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[–] slwsnowman40 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Cox literally sent me an email letting me know I was at 85% of my data cap of 1 TB just last week. It was 2 TB for the previous year or two.

Today, I permanently added the unlimited option at $39 a month extra just so everyone can use the internet without changing their habits.

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[–] kogar 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

This is the dumbest fucking thing. "Net Neutrality" is, literally, handing control of the internet to the government. Don't like your ISP? Competitors are eager to snatch up your business (yes, I know some places are under monopolies, that's changing, but too slowly). Don't like your ISP with "net neutrality"? Too bad.

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