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[–] AmaleksHairyAss 0 points 50 points (+50|-0) ago 

How could evidence be selectively lost if there were an effective backup system?

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[–] VoatIsForTimmy [S] 5 points -2 points (+3|-5) ago 

There is no backup.

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[–] theMETA 0 points 36 points (+36|-0) ago 

That's the joke.

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[–] Swallow_That 1 points 35 points (+36|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Database Administrator chiming in here. NYPD is spewing some major league bullshit. Since when can you NOT backup a DB2 database? Since never. IBMs DB2 database has had native backup capabilities with since version one. To say otherwise is dishonest at best and flat out perjury at worst.

Any DB2 database can be backed up no matter how large. The size of the data only impacts HOW you back it up. You can even back it up while its in use, so how long it takes is irrelevant. With large data warehouses you’d take a full backup maybe once a week/month and thereafter only backup the changes (differential backups) to that database at regular intervals until the next full backup is scheduled. A Full might take a couple of days but differential backups only a fraction of that.

If they really aren’t backing it up it’s due to NYPD’s IT team’s incompetence and not to a limitation with that DB platform. Incompetence is no excuse for the law. The court should order NYPD to hire a consulting firm to back it up for them if they’re too stupid to do it themselves.

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[–] Cat-hax 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

They don't want to back them up

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[–] hels 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I think people are missing the most obvious answer. The IT Team was told that database backup does not exist in the NYPD --- IT Team are not stupid and agree (because that's how you keep your jobs). This leads to the 'selective backup' where data can be easily lost forever.

There is backup, always has been and always will be. Choosing it selectively makes the narrative easier to control.

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[–] rndmvar 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Likely even closer to the truth:
Because cops and teachers get their budget slashed first in cuts. They probably don't have a competent systems person, or the funding to run a backup system.

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[–] cyks 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Do police know how to engineer a single tool they use? Of course not. Society works better when people specialize in certain fields.

Perhaps they don't know how to be corrupt within a legitimate practice. I'd believe that.

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[–] Swallow_That 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

If that’s the case there should be repercussions but I’m with you in spirit. As Hanlon’s razor dictates, ”Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity”.

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[–] QuitWaistingOurMoney 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I wouldn't be surprised either, I have noticed way too many things happen in areas of IT that are surprisingly do to lack of knowledge, lack of organization, or plain old corporate BS getting in the way.

There unfortunately also seems to be quite a number of people in tech that really shouldn't be, or should at least brush up on their skills.

Also in this case why are they even trying to run these systems in house?

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[–] KeksMex 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I swallowed it and it went down smoothly. Thanks for pointing out that this is just another example of corruption in plain sight.

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[–] WhiteRonin 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

You missed the whole point. They don't have backups. Which more than likely means that IBM on runs necessary weekly backups in case a drive fails. They probably have redundancy so there is technically a back up but the point here is that any data wiped 6 months ago is gone.

The department probably never wanted long term storage or just didn't want to budget for it.

The NYPD should be fined.

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[–] goatsandbros 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

How convenient.

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[–] tame 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

James Hacker: How am I going to explain the missing documents to "The Mail"?
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Well, this is what we normally do in circumstnces like these.
James Hacker: [reads memo] This file contains the complete set of papers, except for a number of secret documents, a few others which are part of still active files, some correspondence lost in the floods of 1967...
James Hacker: Was 1967 a particularly bad winter?
Sir Humphrey Appleby: No, a marvellous winter. We lost no end of embarrassing files.
James Hacker: [reads] Some records which went astray in the move to London and others when the War Office was incorporated in the Ministry of Defence, and the normal withdrawal of papers whose publication could give grounds for an action for libel or breach of confidence or cause embarrassment to friendly governments.
James Hacker: That's pretty comprehensive. How many does that normally leave for them to look at?
James Hacker: How many does it actually leave? About a hundred?... Fifty?... Ten?... Five?... Four?... Three?... Two?... One?... Zero?
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Yes, Minister.

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[–] Hopevoats 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

They should have hired the Awan brothers. They'd have multiple backups, all over the world...

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[–] hyposcrisydude 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

All forwarded to a Weiners laptop as well.

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[–] Nostrildamus_Sneezed 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Unions. They do as little as possible. Incarcerate as many as possible. Because it takes very little effort. Unions. Do not backup shit because... well... it takes effort. Unions were once useful... or so they tell me. Unions are, in fact, useful to protect the 10% of workers that do slog like rusty whores in the refineries. Fuck unions.

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[–] 0110001111 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

The problem I have is that unions imposed themselves into certain jobs, such that you are forced to join a union to join a job. I know of people who could simply not get fired due to the large cost of dealing with a union, so al the good people left, and the leftover was, you guessed it, union workers!

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[–] 1moar 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yep. Some industries are worse than others. Construction isn't so bad; but LE, phone/tech, etc. is pretty sad.

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[–] AverageAmerica 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Unions were once useful... or so they tell me.

Unions have their problems, but they are the reason you didn't die in a coal mine working 18 hour days 7 days a week for company scrip when you were 8 years old.

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[–] VoatIsForTimmy [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

What a bunch of maroons!

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[–] o0shad0o 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I think a lot of people in prison right now are busy calling tech-minded friends...

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[–] SonOfSnowden 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

You rang...

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[–] the_hidden_metric 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Wow, seems like putting this in the news is painting a giant target on their system for hackers to get in, encrypt it, then ask for ransom. Now everyone knows there is no backup, only a matter of time before someone with the skills and necessary amorality reads this and puts two and two together. No way they would risk losing that much evidence and having to release thousands of dangerous criminals as a result of their own incompetence being capitalized on. A hacker could probably ask for something crazy high like 500 BTC and they would still have to pay.

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[–] cthulian_axioms 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

500 BTC is worth about $2.5M in the enemy country's money. That's peanuts compared to the value of the data being held for ransom.

Someone could ask for 5000 BTC and they'd have to pay it. How much would it cost the pigs in lawsuits if they didn't? $20 million? $40 million? To me, that's the absolute minimum ask, considering the risk.

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[–] tame 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

pinky in mouth ONE HUNDRED BEEELION DOLLARS

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[–] SonOfSnowden 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I give it to the end of the week before someone pwns it.

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