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[–] gl7 0 points 37 points (+37|-0) ago 

NSA featured.

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[–] iDontShift 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

yup, they want to be sure to be able to track you at least once a day, at 5am.

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[–] brandon816 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It's the new ankle bracelet. Yeah, you could just leave your phone behind, but -will- you?

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[–] Kleyno 0 points 29 points (+29|-0) ago 

But of course: Apple knows you really didn't mean to turn them off; they're just helping you make the right decision.

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[–] Uncle_Slob 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

They're kind of honest at least. They said they still want to be able to track you with no interruptions.

Why do people buy iphones? They're years behind, but the price is set in the future.

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[–] Cat-hax 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Because it's easy.

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[–] Stormc12 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I still have one. I'd rather get another phone, but I'm not sure what to get.

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[–] PhilaFerret 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

What do you suggest, and why?

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[–] Doc_Brown_Lives 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'm seriously considering this as my next phone. Just trying to figure out why I shouldn't.

https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/

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A fully standards-based freedom-oriented system, based on Debian and many other upstream projects, has never been done before–we will be the first to seriously attempt this.

The Librem 5 phone will be the world's first ever IP-native mobile handset, using end-to-end encrypted decentralized communication. Librem 5 – A Security and Privacy Focused Phone

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  • 5″ screen
  • Security focused by design
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  • Works with 2G/3G/4G, GSM, UMTS, and LTE networks
  • CPU separate from Baseband
  • Hardware Kill Switches for Camera, Microphone, WiFi/Bluetooth, and Baseband

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[–] dirt-reynolds 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

My wife and I both just get whatever $50 will get us. It's usually last years mid tier phones but guess what? They work. It does everything I need it do which is basically take a few pics, internet, Spotify, call & text and a few games. Neither one of us have any desire for the next shiny thing. These phones are 16 to 20 TIMES more expensive than my current phone and there's no way in Hell they are 16 to 20x better. I doubt they're even 2x better. Lemmings gonna lem I guess.

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[–] cthulian_axioms 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Motorola makes some pretty nice electro-hooziewhatsits. I'm very happy with my $200 G4, direct from the manufacturer, with no carrier-loaded bloatware.

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[–] valk2 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Or sadly, in the medical field. The apple watch is the one of the cheapest you can get that has a smooth movement for the second hand. To get a mechanical watch with this feature is like 600 bucks for a shitty one. Wife had to get one for nursing. Most hospitals support Apple Watch as well.

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[–] cdglow 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Possibly. If you can get away with using some Linux system, you should.

They're still better than Windows for everything but gaming.

Apple is a mix of good (pretty + quality manufactured hardware, formerly-great-but-currently-good software, sometimes stands up for privacy) and bad (sometimes buggy software, shitty thin power cables that snap, holier-than-thou-attitude at times, not a great budget option, etc) attributes.

This is a really shitty deliberate fuckup though. Turning wifi off should completely shut it down. No ifs, ands, or buts.

They gained some goodwill recently with Safari 11 (enforcing some privacy features) that I think they completely lost and then some with this.

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[–] ShinyVoater 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Anyone who is STILL buying apple is a fucking grandma or a hipster faggot.

Business just lurve iDevices, for whatever reason.

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[–] aria_taint 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

When you power off your phone you're just powering off the display. The only way to power off your phone is to remove the power source but they've got around that by hard wiring the battery thus making it non removable. This was done by design so you can't actually shut off the phone.

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[–] glassuser 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I can't speak to this hardware specifically, but in general that's how it is for phones. Pressing the power button just turns off the screen and puts it in a medium power sleep mode. The OS is still running, the radios are still on, etc. Holding the power button, telling it to shut down from the interface, or something like that, will put it in a very low power sleep mode, reset some registers, and make it run a very low power UEFI program that does nothing but monitor buttons to see if they get pressed (like pressing the power button to turn it on). But there's nothing stopping it from turning on a radio and sending out a simple beacon or syncing up with the cell network (which should be done by firmware in the GSM/CDMA radio).

Like you said, the only way to be sure it's completely off is to disconnect power sources (including batteries).

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[–] Adminstrater 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

All computers are unsafe if you are not allowed to have administrative control over its applications and services.

The Pure Linux phone looks like an interesting product, if it can come to market at a reasonable price point.

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[–] GenghisSean 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

It really is that simple. I have such a hard time getting this point across to Apple fanboys/fangals.

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[–] Doc_Brown_Lives 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I've been with Apple since the iphone4. I've been getting pushed to the edge the last few "enhancements", but now I'm ready to leap. I just need to know why I shouldn't be considering the Librem 5 as my replacement

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[–] Doc_Brown_Lives 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

@ $599 - I'd say we are almost there with the Librem5, if they can get it off the ground.

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[–] EdSnowden 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

ITT: people who don't actually understand the difference between control center and the settings menu

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[–] lemon11 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I can't blame them, because those names are fucking terrible. Both sound like what you'd call a standard, ultimate control panel. The 'quick settings' tray should have some distinctive part to it. Reading about these idiotic phone UIs and startups and Web 30.x6 sites is like trying to read a book where all proper names are replaced by unrelated generic nouns.

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[–] CarthOSassy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

One is an idiot if one trusts Apple. One is an even bigger idiot if one smugly trusts Google instead.

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[–] 10565992 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The common cattle get treated with only the finest malfeatures.

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