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[–] AnthraxAlex 1 point 85 points (+86|-1) ago  (edited ago)

TOR is a NSA opp they own the majority of the nodes. The notion that somehow a large group of random individuals are going to come together to censor something as inane as a "white supremacists site" should be all the evidence you need that the owners are actually a coordinated entity. The entire idea of tor only works when the majority of node owners are disparate and not connected to each other by any command and control.

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[–] AnthraxAlex 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

one possibility is for entities to stand up enough nodes that they can maintain a viable enough piece of the tor network that the opposition doesn't control that their audience can still reach the content. But any centralization is bad like i said tor only works when the node owners aren't all the same entity. Whoever has control of the majority of entrance and exit nodes can strip the identity of sessions across the network. and also control what other nodes sessions get passed through on the way to the destination.

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[–] goship 1 point 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

There are many groups who had same question, and decided to run own nodes. Now many people do, from alt-left to alt-right, from drug users to political dissidents, also military, also business. This wide range of various users gives it security.

To increase security:

  • run own tor node, (even more so if you can use Linux), make it a public node but not-exit node (unless you want to sometimes like once few years be questioned by LEA if they go after someone who used your node and also your IP will be blacklisted by many sites - this is only for linux admins who own own servers on own IP address).

  • ask around or at some events like for Open-Source, which nodes are most trusted. And configure your tor for your own use, to use only the list of Entry Nodes that you think are good, as the entry nodes.

  • remember Tor makes it hard to track you, but if you will go around buying nukes or stuff, then eventually they will trace you unles you're an expert on tor and security

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[–] SparkS ago 

that means u all need to start using private vpns. free or $ they need to be private. the degree of security/privacy each one will offer depends more or less but thats mainly a user thing of what he want or does.

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[–] Galvanized_Dreamer 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Onion routing was invented by the NAVY, not the NSA.

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[–] 11147309? ago 

YVAN EHT NIOJ

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[–] go1dfish 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Exit node domination is not enough to censor a hidden service on tor because exit nodes are not used for hidden services.

This would require an exploit in the encrypting of the onions that give the onion router its name.

The nodes don't know what each layer of the onion is and can't without a cryptographic exploit.

Exit nodes know when you are using tor as a proxy to clearnet because this is unavoidable.

NSA is not going to burn a crypto exploit to slow down the daily stormer.

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[–] o0shad0o 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

They're also not going to show their hand in owning the network by banning TDS, unless they're willing to jeopardize their mission in order to ban one stupid website. If it's true, they should be disbanded. If not... Who's pwnt the network??

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[–] AnthraxAlex 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

They use machine learning to determin a correlation between sessions entering and exiting the node cloud. The precision is shit when you only control a few nodes but when you control a lot of them you can identify sessions entering and exiting precisely and strip the identity. Once youve identified targets you exploit the entrance and exit nodes through other means to gain the content of the traffic.

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[–] 10308413? 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

the thing that pisses me off the most about that is that i would mean that the US is actively allowing child porn and their exploitation. i've heard how they will set up sites to trap predators but the fact that raping children is more preferable than being conservative is insane

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[–] MannKepetry 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

tor is designed in a way that you cannot really do that. they could only slow down tor as a whole or maybe, im not sure if even that is possible deny the routing information

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[–] lemon11 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah, taking this uncritically is a bad idea. There are attacks on hidden services all the time. It's not just him, and it's not just Tor, either. Free speech is under fire, if he hadn't noticed.

That's why truly distributed systems like ZeroNet (which can work with Tor somehow, maybe I2P too?) and IPFS and so on.

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[–] MannKepetry 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

that was very interesting to read. thanks. as it was described in the article it wasnt really a problem of the network but at the client side even though its a problem with the tor software and a fixable one. while i highly prefer even more decentralized solutions and the things that i2p does differently i dont think that tor is basically flawed. i think that the technology allows for anonymity and freedom but you have to have perfect opsec and behave non suspiciously. kudos to the detective work in that link at this place.

what we need is more public interest in the topic and that could be gained by bringing ready to use applications to the user. whonix is a good example and adapting the tor browser for i2p and other services would be too.

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[–] 10310180? ago  (edited ago)

There's no way to access zeronet via an ordinary browser, a la fjksfqdeyrqoens.onion.cab

People have to install software to do just that, it's an horrible tech just for that reason, it's a jail, it's worse than tor in that sense

...

Besides web deving on it is an absolute joke, you can barely make a dynamic site, It's limited python based site, a static site, or btfo basically, and you have to run it in an iframe to avoid js related security issues !

It truly is shit, if you had a forum in php and want to go there, throw it to the dumpster, you can't have that, zeroNet can't run,php or node.js, all computation has to happen client side, it's utter shit

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[–] djsumdog 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Exactly. It's more likely his site just got super popular and it having difficultly scaling up on Tor.

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[–] goship 2 points 13 points (+15|-2) ago 

Btw guys, stop panicking just because someone writes an alarming article.

No problems in accessing their Tor hidden site - http://dstormer6em3i4km.onion/

Just download Tor Browser Bundle and try it.

Looking for new tech to avoid censorship is of course a good idea either way. P2P exists indeed.

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[–] TheBuddha 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

If you want to confirm, without installing TOR, just add .to to the URL. This isn't even remotely secure, however.

Example: https://dstormer6em3i4km.onion.to/

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[–] goship 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Right, good call. onion.to is a centralised server that is used to preview the hidden .onion sites to people without tor.

Of course as it is just 1 entity who owns http://onion.to , it's owner could be forced (or just decide) one day to block something. So yeah, just get and user Tor Browser Bundle, it's so simple.

Google it, confirm source, https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en

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[–] TeranNotTerran ago 

Not remotely secure nor very reliable. onion.to goes down all the time, unfortunately.

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[–] Norm 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Eli5 I2p?

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[–] KoKansei ago 

ELI5 the difference between onion routing and garlic routing?

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[–] TheTrigger 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

Tor, but better in a lot of ways, and you can (and are encouraged to) torrent over it. Which is nice; but it's a wasteland of early adopters, atm. So, the more people use it, the sooner it can take off.

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[–] 10_per_day_is_stupid 1 point 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

IMO, early adopters are the best. The internet was way, way better before AOL. WAY better. The average internet user was 2 standard deviations above the mean, IQ wise. Way fucking better.

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[–] goship 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

https://geti2p.net/en/download

Download and use.

First, search in Wikipedia and browser, is the above the correct official webpage of the i2p project (I could be some LEA operative giving links to a troyan, or just a troll or hacker).

Then run it. Open in web browser http://127.0.0.1:7657 . There are instructions there. Also, use google.

It has nice good working torrents inside it, that are quite secure (enough for simple stuff; it is possible to guess who seeds what, but hard to prove it).

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[–] 10_per_day_is_stupid 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

If someone like goship links it, I guess I have to actually READ the source. Which basically means it cant be trusted either. Shame.

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[–] 10308553? ago  (edited ago)

Evey time I type in a search engine Asian porn oddly

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[–] Zanbato 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago 

VOAT seems like it will be up next on the chopping block

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[–] 9-11 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Well the militant left is having its book burning moment. Google is openly censoring legal videos because of wrong think as judged by ADL/SPLC, removing monetisation of right content to stifle creation initiative, and domain names can apparently be seized/stolen at will with iCANN/united nations assistance. Meanwhile the left openly organizes riots and statue destruction on facebook, so if you think you won't be targeted for the watered down memes you post on facebook you will be finding out. Sites like voat that don't actively censor are at the focus of adl/splc and considering no outcry was made for the storm front tier sites it's clear nobody cares as long as it's a private company doing it.

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[–] malloryquinn 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

it's clear nobody cares

Remember the uproar in the 1970's over Penthouse?

As much as I hate to say it we're in the rock and hard place. Companies bend to SJW's that don't buy products, and promote communism.

The government wanted that deal for "lawful content", which never was adequately defined.

It's amazing, but we're actually losing the fucking internet. I guess it was inevitable.

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[–] MillstoneNecklace 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It seems as if they're doing the usual psyop method of going after large and well-known targets. Stormfront and the DS were obvious targets, and there will probably be another one or two that go down soon just to get the point across. Still baffled by Red Ice though.

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[–] Zanbato 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

if they come? They are aready here lol

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[–] malloryquinn ago 

That is why it was so important to control"fake" aka inconvenient news. We'll never get any visibility on the censored network. That is what it is now. It's not open or free, it's now censored.

The book burning has begun and I'm too scared to speak out.

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[–] DestroyerOfSaturn 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I hope not. :(

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[–] CoinQuest ago 

How though? We would start our own ISP just to host VOAT. When Icann gets involved we would move to P2P. You can't stop the message, only the medium.

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[–] the_sharpest_knife 1 point 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Fake news.

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[–] JohnJones 1 point 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

This is us winning. Those people are TERRIFIED of white people uniting under a single white banner and are trying their hardest to stop it.

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[–] idk 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

I, for one, am getting pretty fucking tired of being punched in the face and having someone call that a win.

It's fucking oppressive.

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[–] 10310380? 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's not a win indeed, rather a clear indication something is being done right in order to piss them to no end

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[–] pangaea 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Are they sure it wasn't just a fluctuation of traffic or node availability?

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