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[–] fidgety_ninja 1 points 260 points (+261|-1) ago 

Is this on or off by default?

Also,

http://i.imgur.com/Kgo8GEz.jpg

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[–] BustyChicksFTW [S] 0 points 51 points (+51|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It was On by default in the installation of Windows 10 so it was Off when I got Edge since I turned it to Off before. Also I'm sorry about the size. For some reason Slimgur compressed all my photos. I'm talking to the owner to understand what happened. This is literally a screenshot I took minutes ago.

New link: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/07/73f42c6223cb0c807427860e2825ee8c.png

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[–] LordHumongus 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It's also on by default in Windows 8.1. At least that I know of.

EDIT:Here's a picture I took of a Windows 8.1 install showing the same options.

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[–] aggressivesalad 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Do you happen to know if this is a feature in Safari, I saw that it was in Chrome in another comment but there was nothing about Safari yet. I'm surprised a browser will do that to be honest.

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[–] Asteh 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

Huh, that image opening thingy is neat.

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[–] aggressivesalad 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

It like having RES features built in, its great it makes treads with images so much easier to follow.

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[–] FiveGHz 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

OMG that is so awesome!

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[–] NRK 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

What image opening thingy?

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[–] Webonics 2 points 15 points (+17|-2) ago 

When I went through the 10 installation on custom I noticed a lot of stuff that I seemed to remember being impressed was turned off by default in 8.

That being said, this is the way the world is moving. Microsoft has to collect this data and enable some of these features to stay competitive for the average consumer.

As long as companies show a genuine effort to keep my data secure and are not working with the government beyond legitimate court orders, these are fairly reasonable settings. Apple and Microsoft both seem to be in the B- or C+ range in this regard, at least since the Snowden leaks, so you know.

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[–] reed 1 points 44 points (+45|-1) ago 

As long as companies show a genuine effort to keep my data secure and are not working with the government beyond legitimate court orders, these are fairly reasonable settings.

What in the actual fuck about the last year or two has led you to believe that 1. Corporations like Microsoft are doing anything to show they value users' privacy, or 2. The US government has slowed down one bit in gathering any and every piece of data they can about everyone they can?

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[–] Warrick 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Information gathering is pretty standard these days. Everyone does it and it has helped development of good user experience immensely.

The bad part is that we are still in the awkward growing phase regarding the laws and legislation centered around data mining, information and usage of it. There need to be strict laws where companies explicitly tell what data they are gathering, what they are using it for, who they are selling it to and why.

Thankfully most companies seem to be pretty innocent in their use of big data but it is a ridiculously powerful tool that can be easily exploited for nefarious purposes.

Money isn't power, information is. We are seeing startups get dozens of millions in funding for pointless apps simply because they have a large user base. (See Yo. app)

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[–] 626620 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Lets not forget that some of the time they aren't necessarily gathering data except as a side effect of the feature. Its like how an extension needs the rights to modify a page to block ads. This must know what your browsing looks like to preload.

Now, what they do with the data after that is the question. Of course, I tend to trust a private company more than the government to be frank. Profit motive is more predictable than bureaucracy.

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[–] Hokie200proof 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Can you ever be sure it's really off? Or your ISP isn't doing the exact same?

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[–] PlasmaDistortion 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

A couple years ago I setup my router to route all traffic through a VPN. At first things were great, super fast and super secure. Then I started to notice things crawl to a snails pace and escalated the issue to my ISP. This is when I found out that they were intentionally limiting me because of my VPN usage. I was not using it for torrenting or large downloads but they insisted that if they could not see my traffic that I was doing something illegal. What other reason could they possibly have to want to see my traffic other than to track me? Are they just stupid and really believe that? Either way, they lost me as a customer after this.

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[–] Gigs 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

You can watch the packets fly to see if your browser is sending stuff to MS. You can't tell if your ISP is watching, but, they probably are in some capacity. If you use SSL they can't get as many details about exactly what page you loaded though.

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[–] TheHamburglar 12 points 160 points (+172|-12) ago  (edited ago)

Anytime something says improve experience it means they're sending your data somewhere. It's easy enough to turn off, I don't know why this is being treated as a revelation.

Edit: I'm starting to understand why people don't like the downvoat button. Tell me why I'm wrong.

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[–] whynotanon1 0 points 60 points (+60|-0) ago  (edited ago)

why should it default to turning you into a metadata miner? you paid for it already. you don't buy pants on the condition that "Pant's r us" gets to know how often you wear them. the fact that such a tunnel exists just means it's that much easier nefarious people to intercept the traffic or abuse it. why the fuck is my OS sending any of my data anywhere.

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[–] polymorphist 0 points 64 points (+64|-0) ago 

  1. It's the browser, not the whole OS.
  2. Chrome does the exact same thing, and yet no one (aside from Firefox users) seems to be worried about that, because "I trust Google more than anyone else". (Fun fact: Google lives almost entirely off of advertising while Microsoft does not.)

I'm not saying you're wrong to be worried about this. For what it's worth, I usually turn this off myself. I'm saying that we shouldn't be alarmed that Microsoft has started doing this when nobody cares that Chrome has already been doing it for years.

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[–] JeffGodOfBiscuits 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

It's a preview - the point of it is to test features. I'd expect everything to be turned on. If this is on by default by the time W10 ships you'll have a point. Up until that point this is a non-issue.

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[–] mryouse 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

This condition of buying things is temporary. Pretty soon you will buy a "license" to the pants, not the pants themselves, and the pants will report back automatically to the company every time you put them on, what kind of shirt and shoes you wear, and where you went. Disable this feature and you get a letter from the lawyer's company.

And no, I am not kidding.

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[–] BustyChicksFTW [S] 3 points 15 points (+18|-3) ago 

Because, you know, everyone is tech savvy. Most people don't even know what cryptocurrency is.

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[–] TheHamburglar 2 points 24 points (+26|-2) ago 

That's a pretty big leap from not knowing what an os setting means to knowing about bitcoin, dogcoin, litecoin, etc. Mining, exchanges, wallets... I've been in IT for 7 years and I barely understand it and have never used it.

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[–] cstoli 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Umm.... what is cryptocurrency? It sounds so......cryptic.

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[–] diggy 3 points 13 points (+16|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Not sure why people downvoted you. Your statement appears factually true, but I'm guessing was downvoted because 2 people didn't want to hear it.

From my perspective it seems a little silly to be up in arms at Microsoft over privacy concerns in Windows 10 during the beta. Don't get me wrong, I think the dialogue is poorly worded and feedback should be submitted so that it can be changed to be more clear/transparent for release. But at the same time people have to keep in mind that the entire reason Microsoft is letting people test Windows 10 is so they can gather information on how people use it in addition to receiving feedback on it. I'm currently using the preview and the fact that my actions are being logged is pretty transparent. The feedback requests when I do things like Alt-tab or even as i'm using Google chrome are a very noticeable give away. Heck on the insider preview page where you go to download windows 10 technical preview the first information section under the download links reads

About your privacy Microsoft will collect data about your installation and use of Windows 10 Insider Preview to help us improve our products and services. See our privacy statement to learn more.

If Microsoft leaves all of their logging in during release, though, and keeps it all turned on by default without telling us, then we'll have something to be up in arms about for sure.

Edit: Added link to their privacy statement page.

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[–] pilgrimboy14 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Exactly this. If you are beta testing their software, they want to know how it is being used and what is being done with it. If it is on by default in the release, that is frustrating.

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[–] Alaknar 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Aaaaand two downvotes.

So, yeah, "this will be different than Reddit".

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[–] Zumf 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

Yeah, at least they're being transparent about it. Some people just want convenience, and customised suggestions,and they're willing to give their browsing data in exchange. For me, the convenience isn't worth it, so I'll decline. No big deal.

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[–] k3ksninja 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

yeah but it should be off by default!

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[–] polymorphist 1 points 46 points (+47|-1) ago 

Isn't this on by default in Chrome?

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[–] BustyChicksFTW [S] 1 points 24 points (+25|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Yup. Correct, Firefox ftw IMO

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[–] Huntard 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Are we still talking about Internet Explorer like if we were in 2004?

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[–] strongdoctor 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

Yes.

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[–] HappyTypist 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Key difference: Page preloading in Google Chrome does not send your browser history to Google. It's all done on the client side. (Of course, others do).

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[–] polymorphist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Ok, that's a good point. I wonder (though doubt) if this means Edge no longer needs to send browsing history.

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[–] helloworld 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Shit. I'm pretty tech savvy, but just in case, how can we make sure this is turned off?

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[–] polymorphist 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Chrome has a search bar in the upper-right corner of the settings page, just search for "prediction" "prefetch" and hopefully you should be able to find it from there. I'm away from my computer, but I think it's worded similarly to the setting in the OP.

Alternatively, you can download SRWare Iron, which is supposed to be Chrome without the phone-home stuff.

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[–] robin_williams_ama 3 points 42 points (+45|-3) ago 

When installing Windows 8 you are explicitly given the option to turn this on or off, and it explicitly states that it's going to send data if you turn it on. I would assume you will get the exact same option when installing 10. There's nothing malicious going on here.

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[–] TheHamburglar 5 points -2 points (+3|-5) ago 

+1 for you, whoever downvoated is a shill.

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[–] Reddiggoat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

A shill for whom? Unless Apple halves their pricing and sells OSX as an independent OS, who is their competition?

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[–] Huntard 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Downvoting a factual statement is a way to say "you are right but fuck you".

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[–] JeffGodOfBiscuits 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

But micro$oft is teh evil. Hurr durr.

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[–] Jordbaermelk 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I can't quite explain why, but when people spell Microsoft with a $ it drives me crazy. Especially if they're using Mac OS X or Ubuntu.

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[–] RamdomRam 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

+1 I agree

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[–] davethesaviour 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Why is this not higher up on the page.

Do people not know how difficult it its to crush bugs in a test preview when it is not automated through tracking?

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[–] BustyChicksFTW [S] 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Oh look, the same options (and more, I didn't see Telemetry before) are ALSO in the retail version. DUN DUN DUUUUUN, eat shit.

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[–] BustyChicksFTW [S] 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

New link, Slimgur compressed the crap out of my image, sorry!

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[–] king_of_the_universe 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Man. Slimgur is pretty new, right? Still it somehow made its way into our company proxy's block list (while Imgur hasn't). That stifles a possible transition quite a lot. (Don't bother, I can use a webproxy to look at those images. Still, this doesn't compare.)

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[–] polymorphist 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Veuwer is pretty popular on voat, too.

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[–] Tonguestun 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Hey man, they just want to see that sweet, sweet porn you watch. Didn't your mother teach you it's not polite to not share?

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[–] Bottswana 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

I saw this option when I was installing the preview. On by default, On if you don't select custom install AND untick that option. What..

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[–] Codex 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Like Google doesn't do this?

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