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[–] hexydes 1 point 211 points (+212|-1) ago 

Yup, this is pretty much it in a nutshell. Reddit had this market absolutely locked up, and over the last few months (but really the last few days), they've done more to destroy it than any competitor possibly could have hoped to do.

Well played..?

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[–] kialari 0 points 45 points (+45|-0) ago 

All of the scrambling to move into the potential vacancy has already begun. It makes me wonder how many reddit investors are already getting their fingers into places like Voat. You can be sure that there are a lot of marketers with their fingers on the pulse.

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[–] LordHumongus 0 points 60 points (+60|-0) ago 

You can be sure that there are a lot of marketers with their fingers on the pulse.

There's a reason Voat had a post on their splash outage page about VC's coming forward. The cash follows the user base. At the very least Pao allowed competition to spring up when all they had to do was not screw up to keep their lead. But their communication locations (through media outside of Reddit) and style (as said, corporate buzzwords with no real information) show they're not involved with the community.

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[–] GoogleKnowsBest 0 points 33 points (+33|-0) ago 

You made me realize that i still had adblock enabled for this site, thanks!

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[–] hexydes 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

That's what worries me, because Pao is just one person, she's not the (only) reason Reddit is tanking. A lot of it is the behind-the-scenes interests, and those interests could easily spill into the Reddit replacements.

I'd really like to see Voat do something unique and community-minded with their investing, like an equity-based crowd-funding to raise capital. It's not perfect (someone could still buy a lot of shares), but at least it's MORE community-minded than letting a handful of VCs dictate the direction of the site.

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[–] abpples 54 points -36 points (+18|-54) ago 

Voat's new censorship

Downvoating is what reddit uses to silence dissenting views.

People don't typically upvoat, even if they like something. They will just look at it.

But when people get butthurt or see things they don't like they DO DOWNVOAT. You're assuming that people use both buttons the same way.

Voating is a censorship tool because it doesn't depend on rational argumentation. It only depends on CONSENSUS. That's why SRS use downvoat brigades because they know it's only purpose is to censor content they don't want seen by others.

Look, our entire political system should make it more practical. We don't let everyone vote in elections for a good reason: we know that retards are the majority of people. You want Bill Gate's educated vote negated by some homeless retard on the street? That's EXACTLY what democratic voting does. That's exactly what the movie Idiocracy was about. When you give everyone an equal say, you negate the point of education. You negate the point of rational argumentation. If a baby can negate the vote of an adult, then you don't really need to learn how to think. All you need to do is make people agree with you. And bribery is the fastest way to agreement.

Since people tend to downvoat when they're butthurt and engaged in censorship, the best way to combat censorship would be to only allow UPVOATING since people will actively have to champion what they believe rather than focus on what they want to complain about and censor. You can look at upvoating as positive censorship since it at least puts the burden on the upvoater to be accountable to their views and say what they prefer instead of simply complaining about what they don't want.

Stating what you want to happen takes EDUCATION AND EFFORT. Complaining about what you don't want just requires the ability to be butthurt.

I'd rather err on the side of positive censorship if we have to censor at all. We already know how negative censorship turns out: it becomes reddit.

At least positive censorship requires EFFORT that keyboard warriors aren't willing to invest. So if we want to make this place different from reddit, we should ONLY have an upvoat button.

And while we're at it, let's remove the scores from the profiles so keyboard warriors who are already socially retarded don't start jerking off to their fake internet power.

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[–] TommyHawk 1 point 19 points (+20|-1) ago 

They basically just had to not mess up. Didn't need to do anything else. Just stay the course.

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[–] Fogreddit 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

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[–] YourBlueIsMyPurple 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Just like Ancient Athens. Why won't they LEARN!?

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[–] mirnos 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Well except that at some critical point, Reddit's goal changed from "keeping the servers running" to "making a profit". When profitability became the goal, they had to change about the website, because Reddit wasn't making money. Digg was similar, and someone pointed out that while Digg today is a joke compared to what it once was, it's actually making money. They weren't making money at its peak!

It just seems to me that it's very hard, if not impossible to run a site like these with organic communities of unpaid contributors, and make money. You're either Buzzfeed or Digg.

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[–] wolves 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

The last couple days brought me here. That Pao has so little understanding of her users made me lose faith in the future of Reddit, and constantly wondering if I had been shadow banned or had a post deleted without an explanation.

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[–] cryption 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

First comment here. And that is the exact reason why I followed the crowd here to Voat.

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[–] Laron 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Her comment how it is not a big deal made me leave reddit. If what the community thinks and how the interaction with the community is handled aren't big deals then I am not gone stay there.

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[–] Namrok 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Yeah, checking to see if I was shadowbanned was a daily ritual for me on reddit. Kind of sad when you think about it.

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[–] RevRound 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

They believed that there was no alternative to Reddit, so Chairman Pao and her sycophants just did what they wanted without fear. The problem for them is that without realizing it they broke open the market for a new alternative to Reddit to rise up.

Its pretty similar to the 4chan situation. There had always been small splinter chans, but none of them were really relavent because 4chan was the core chan for the west. Once Moot started fucking 4chan up it allowed the rise of 8chan with an exodus making it a viable new core.

I guess the lesson is to never sit on your laurels because the world is always changing

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[–] tribblepuncher 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I would say that the lesson might well be that it is a poor idea to pave over the original goals of a popular site to make it politically acceptable for marketing and investment. Or perhaps that it is a poor idea to radically alter a site without understanding what made it popular and continues to make it popular.

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[–] Animaillian ago 

In 4chan you can't create a board and you can't vote on a comment. You need a lot more boards to cover people's interests than 4chan has.