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[–] MaraAcoma 14 points 32 points (+46|-14) ago 

It is a scam.

Some background on the bill.

Up until that December 2, 2016 rule was introduced, ISPs had as few regulations against their collecting of data as companies like Facebook and Google (that is, basically zero regulations). The rule was to enforce an opt-out system, among other things, to keep user's data private from ISPs, while not doing anything against Facebook/Google. Most importantly, this rule was never actually put into action. Literally nothing changes if Trump signs this bill. The rule was flawed to begin with, as it had a "one rule for me, another for thee" tone to it, where ISPs would be barred from selling their customer's data when every other company (again, Facebook and Google are the biggest offenders) routinely do it. Now, I'm not saying that I like the fact that my data is collected and sold, nor do I think it should be allowed. But not only is the passage of this bill through the House and Senate not actually changing anything, even if Trump signs it, it's a severely flawed rule anyway that punishes the "bad" ISPs while leaving the "good" companies completely alone.

From h8chan

Guys remember that bill that supposedly lets ISPs sell your data? Turns out it's a trap. It's a bill to repeal another bill that Obama introduced back in December 2016. Obama's bill sounds all nice and cool but apparently it's more of a powergrab for the FCC and it was never actually enforced. So this new bill is to repeal that one and is not changing anything but it's being framed as if Trump is destroying some ages old privacy protections. Check it out, search Federal Regulation 87274, that's what's getting repealed and it was introduced on December 2, 2016 and never actually enforced. Oh that sneaky sneaky Obongo, I bet he knew it was going to be repealed and make Trump look bad. it's to repeal Fed. Reg. 87274. I haven't read the whole text for the regulation because it's really fucking long but some anons on /pol/ are saying it gives censorship powers to the FCC. But that's besides the point, the regulation was introduced just a few months ago and never implemented, so at worst nothing is going to change, but everybody is losing their shit as if ISPs will suddenly be allowed to fuck you over in some way they weren't allowed before.

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[–] ShowMeThePunny 1 points 54 points (+55|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Pump the breaks.

There is a big fucking difference between ISPs and Google or Facebook.

If i don't want Facebook to have my data, then I don't go to Facebook. Google is a little harder, since you also need to avoid Chrome, YouTube, Android devices, chrome cast, etc... But you still can avoid them. You essentially "opt in" when you use their services.

You can't say the same for ISPs. You cannot opt out of their tracking without opting out of the Internet entirely. The closest you can get is VPN so all your traffic is encrypted and sent to the same VPN server, but even then they know you are using the VPN.

I'm not saying that protections ever existed, just that your point of comparing them to other "big data" isn't a fair comparison. There should be protections in place to prevent ISP snooping.

Edit: Your story also doesn't make sense. Obama wasn't a legislator in 2016. If he had regulations within executive branch, Trump could undo it with a swipe of the pen like he just did with the EPA. If there was a law passed in December 2016 it was done with Republican congressmen and senators.

Edit2: Just did some research, and the answer is somewhere in the middle. Trump could do away with it, but the law is to stop POTUS Elizabeth Warren from doing this in the future.

I think the best solution is to do some trust busting. Break up the ISPs to inject competition in the market place. If people had options that would allow market forces to allow people to choose privacy vs price vs bandwidth vs datacaps etc.

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[–] MaraAcoma 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago  (edited ago)

The quotes are not my words, but of others. I agree that ISPs(and all other services on the internet) should not be allowed to sell your data. I spent a few hours going through the document and it was drafted in 2015 and put into place(but not enforced) on the date mentioned.

As for removing it I view it as redundant as ISPs are already required to do so under 47 U.S. Code § 222.

 

I think the best solution is to do some trust busting. Break up the ISPs to inject competition in the market place. If people had options that would allow market forces to allow people to choose privacy vs price vs bandwidth vs datacaps etc.

This is very much needed it most forms of industry in America.

 

Edit: Here is a report from the other side of the road, for the Isp's themselves. I browsed through it and both this and the 81 Fed. Reg. 87274 have compelling arguments for and against each other. It seems compromise is something we are lacking least we end up with Europe's nightmarish system.

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[–] effusive_ermine 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

If people had options that would allow market forces to allow people to choose privacy vs price vs bandwidth vs datacaps etc.

We used to have options like AOL, Mindspring and others, but no more

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[–] therealkrispy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

And what say you about the government? They don't give a tenth of a fuck what search engine, what web browser, what OS you use. It's all compromised. At least Google and Comcast don't have handcuffs.

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[–] Jixijenga 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Google is a little harder, since you also need to avoid Chrome, YouTube, Android devices, chrome cast, etc... But you still can avoid them. You essentially "opt in" when you use their services.

Haha, it's even easier than that. Just don't load the .js and Google's oh-so-scary antics will cease to apply. There's extensions across multiple browsers that do this very thing and Google hasn't said boo about it since most people just choose to opt-in with apathy. They're not sneakily running around trying to trick you into it, if you don't want to be watched they don't give a fuck because most of our peers play ball.

That makes the case that "Google is the same as ISPs" even weaker.

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[–] FPSFairy 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

FFS, if laws are written so obscurely that we can't be sure what we're supporting or opposing, it's time for a major reboot.

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[–] therealkrispy 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

The reboot button is REALLY hard to push. You need lots of lead at high velocity. It was last pressed 241 years ago.

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[–] vpoint 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

it's a severely flawed rule anyway that punishes the "bad" ISPs while leaving the "good" companies completely alone.

That comparison is silly. ISP has total control over everything. google&co only get what you give them.

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[–] therealkrispy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Except any site that has ads reports traffic metrics back to Google, Facebook, and their friends at the CIA whether you block them or not. On top of that, your computer is filled with spyware. You have to go full tinfoil hat to avoid espionage.

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[–] lbruiser 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago