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[–] InDifferent 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

After hearing about all of these backdoors, the only real question I have is, is it possible to "have our cake and eat it too"? Can we have our Google Homes and Samsung TVs with all the bells and whistles and be sure that they aren't spying on us? It feels like the only option now is to throw away all of our convenient tech to be sure we aren't being tracked in some way.

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[–] Schrodingers_Spy 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

Reverse engineer it for your own use. Arduino and Pi are great for this purpose. Build your own convenience, then use it to spy on your family.

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[–] mrgreenjeans9 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

i'd rather spy on your family

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[–] Subtenko 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This is what I was gonna post and here you are the next comment I read with the same idea....go figure.... :D

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[–] AmpleMammal 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Doubtful, if your going to use these, at least segregate these items onto a ¨guest¨ network (they can still collect data and send out, but it will be harder to leverage said device to gain access to internal network). However even if you could do something to keep these devices under your control, unless it was plug and play most people are NOT going to go through the effort. However, we should not support these companies in the mean time. Its not just Google homes or Samsung tvs either, its IoT Dildoes, its children's toys, its IP cameras, fridges...... fuck look at Shodan. If its connected to the internet, its a liability for privacy. If you want a smart TV i recommend a Rasberry Pi w/ Kodi, but beyond that do we really need everything connected to the internet?

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[–] Donbuster 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I mean, you could set up your network with a firewall in front of your router and keep very very close watch on what each device is sending and receiving. If its superfluous, block the connection. Less effort than reverse engineering it, but likely more effort than not using the tech to begin with

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[–] Fagtardicus 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

would it be possible to identify the bug and rip it out?

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[–] GIF-lLL-S0NG 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Not without a microchip factory. You know how they build multiple chips on one processor socket (dual/quad/multicore) ? One i5 or i7 chip has billions of indivdual parts. moding/disabling it would be impossible without the technology used to make them in the first place. The other problem is the plastic "packaging" that surrounds the chip. Suppose you were able to take it apart and locate the "bug" you still have to put it all back together, without damaging it, introducing a couple pieces of dust or cutting the wrong wires. Who knows if there is a trigger so if you did remove it (or a nationstate did) the processor will no longer boot or be unstable.

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[–] 1F4A9 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Physically, no, but it would be possible to disable it by software if you have the cryptographic signing key. Intel chips could run just fine without the ME, but shut down after a few minutes if they notice it isn't running. It kinda works like the DRM chips in video game consoles, but more advanced. Someone could free the world by leaking the Intel source code and keys.