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[–] EngelbertHumperdinck 0 points 73 points (+73|-0) ago 

*allegedly containing child porn.

For all I know, this guy could be guilty, but if this is how these types of cases are going to be treated, anytime authorities want to see the contents of someone's device for any reason, all they have to do is accuse the person of possessing CP.

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[–] aria_taint 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

**accuse is the key word. Not proof!

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[–] Cat-hax 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Came here to say the same thing, sure he had pix on his laptop and probably on the hard drive but you can't just guess.

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[–] HeavyBrain 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Unless of course this person has a name/money then its aok.

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[–] Donbuster 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Thank you. Beat me to it.

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[–] http404 [S] 2 points 54 points (+56|-2) ago 

This just pisses me off.

WTF is the point of the 5th amendment when you can be jailed forever by using it.

3-0 decision against the constitution.

If you ask me, the government is waging a slow and strategic war on the fifth amendment.

If they trample the fifth amendment outright, the public would (at least in theory) get upset. But if they slowly encroach on the fifth amendment in special cases with compelling circumstances, they can effectively whittle away at it bit by bit. At least until they figure out how to build a device and just pluck the information that they want out of your brain from six miles away, without you knowing that it ever happened in the first place. (Hopefully I will die before it gets to this point.)

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[–] go1dfish 1 points 21 points (+22|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Once again Assange has the people's back over the State:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubberhose_(file_system)

There are more modern implementations now, but he helped build the first.

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[–] ZYX321 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Not actively maintained. Damn.

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[–] bikergang_accountant 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Reminds me of something I built. It's not an fs but a plausible deniability. What it was is a system for encrypting something by one of a large number mutations of a key meaning it would take work to open it. The idea is to write the code to encrypt it and delete the code memorizing the principles. Then if you want to decrypt you have to write software you aren't guaranteed to be able to write, memorize a password, and use cloud computing to crack it even if you do have the right password.

You could also use it with a salt file. Loose the salt file you not only have plausible deniability but verified deniability. You could also generage a folder of salts and memorize a mathematical property of the one with the right name (is a palendrom, is a prime, is ascending on the left side, is the first of the nuclear magic numbers concatenated).

Essentially if you want to throw something away but make it selectively recoverable.

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[–] GIF-lLL-S0NG 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Lol the patriot act effectively removed the 5th amendment and the NDAAs practically removed it

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[–] BoredSkeptic 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Holy shit. I need an upgrade on my tinfoil hat. I'd never even considered that.

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[–] lord_nougat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

In addition to most of the other amendments as well.

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[–] GIF-lLL-S0NG 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

Guilty until proven innocent. That's the way the crooks play the game.

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[–] Laurentius_the_pyro 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

now the feds don't even need to go through the trouble of planting CP from their "private collections" to put you in jail.

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[–] Tancred 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The cryptomalware was a test.

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[–] Vailx 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Don't waste your time encrypting. Just cat out random data to fill the drive! Any random data that is evenly divisible by 512 bytes is apparently evidence of literally everything! After all, you can't distinguish encrypted data from random data with any mathematical test, so why waste your time!

Ok it's not really that bad yet, but it is getting there. We'll have to wait for more rulings on this- I doubt very much any law makers will touch this kind of sticky crap.

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[–] AmaleksHairyAss 0 points 35 points (+35|-0) ago 

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."

--H. L. Mencken

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[–] batter3 0 points 31 points (+31|-0) ago 

This is a classic case of not wanting to defend the guy but absolutely wanting to defend the institution of the 5th amendment.

He's most likely a pedophile with CP on his computer but at the same time everyone deserves a fair trial under the law. If a prosecutor can't make a charge stick without requiring self-incrimination, there is no case.

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[–] Wahaha 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Why is it "most likely"? As it stands, it's just an accusation.

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[–] Vailx 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

No, it's almost certain that this guy is guilty. See, they DID get into his MAIN hard drive, which had logged him downloading child porn. They don't have the child porn, however, because he either never saved it because he was disgusted by it, or he saved it on the huge encrypted drives he has in the corner.

That's why you and I should assume he's guilty, as long as we don't have to be on a jury, or preside over his case.

Not discussed: How did they get into his main drive? Wasn't that encrypted by Apple's thing?

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[–] Laurentius_the_pyro 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

He's most likely a pedophile

what is the evidence that makes this "likely".

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[–] Vailx 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

They decrypted his main drive and found logs of him downloading it. Legally, yea, you can't assume guilt. But in practice, this guy is totes guilty, and those drives are filled with cheese pizza. That's why this is such a tasty case for them to attack the fifth amendment with.

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[–] go1dfish 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

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[–] oneposteach 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

That rubber hose type stuff is why 90% of people take plea deals.

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[–] CrustyBeaver52 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

He's a political prisoner of tyrants now.

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[–] CrustyBeaver52 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Doesn't matter.

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[–] Vailx 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Gimme 10 minutes of ssh onto your box, and I'll generate you 10 gigs of child porn! Here's the formula for generating child porn:

cat /dev/urandom > /home/(your user)/pizza.tc

(then truncate to make sure the resulting file is divisible by 512 bytes- less steps if you use dd)

Add a crying accusation from a woman, and you're in jail forever, being asked to produce a password to decrypt a large random number that is not encrypted at all, but looks like it is.

I'm being a bit sarcastic, because there's other evidence that this guy actually did download a bunch of CP, and he's almost assuredly guilty. But if the principal holds here, there's nothing to stop the very next step being what I just described.

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[–] Zbruh 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

How would they know child porn is on the hard drives? Oh wait, they fucking don't.

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[–] Wahaha 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It happens to some folks that pose a problem to some other folks. For all we know the NSA put child porn on his computer.

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