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[–] Donbuster 0 points 65 points (+65|-0) ago 

To be clear, its legal now, but right to repair bills do something very important- they protect that right. Companies, especially apple and john deere, are attempting to make unauthorized repair nearly impossible through software (for instance by making repairs not detected as approved brick the device or machinary), and then claim that bypassing the DRM is copyright infringement, and therefore illegal. TPP would have helped massively with this, by finally giving them the last piece of that puzzle, enshrining in law that, yes, the bypassing of DRM software is itself a crime even when done for legal purposes. Coincidentally, it also would have made such actions a criminal rather than civil offense.

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[–] 1moar 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

Thanks for clarifying this, it's important to know. I like to think I stay pretty well informed, but it's tough in this day and age, to be up on everything.

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[–] curomo 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I think DMCA already made that the law.

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[–] BillMarshall 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

John deere and toro will already not release info and there is no law to compel them similar to the auto industry which at least has weak ones. to protect car owners.

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[–] bikergang_accountant 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

I've never really liked laws like these. Unless it's an amendment bills don't protect anything. They just introduce a football to the field to be kicked back and forth. I'd rather the government not admit authority over the matter and take it to court as is.

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[–] Mylon 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

This is a big issue for farming tractors. They are designed in such a way that if they malfunction, one has to break intellectual property laws to get into the software and fix them. Inkjet printer manufacturers tried to do the same, putting copyrighted software on cartridges so they can claim reprogramming them is breaking laws.

These companies are intentionally spending development time designing products with stuff they don't need for the sole purpose of capturing the repair/replacement market.

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[–] vacvape 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago  (edited ago)

All of that shit should already be illegal under anti competitive/ racketeering laws. But money talks and bullshit walks.

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[–] ShinyVoater 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

It's not illegal per se, but it's deliberately as close to impossible as they can get while still being able to offer their own overpriced repair services. It's pretty much an anti-trust measure.

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[–] PrinceOfLies 6 points 3 points (+9|-6) ago 

Title is a bit misleading. Bills will force manufacturers to provide repair parts to consumers and 3rd party repair shops, as well as provide proprietary repair manuals. As a consumer would love to see this happen, but I'd rather not have it government-mandated.

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[–] Donbuster 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

As a consumer would love to see this happen, but I'd rather not have it government-mandated.

Pick one. Companies know they can make FAR more profit by NOT doing these things, and charging the consumer a fortune for minor repairs. Which would you rather have? Parts, or less regulation?

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[–] Mylon 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Companies can collude together to bilk consumers with these kinds of practices. Government is (ideally) consumers colluding together to tell those companies to knock it off. It's leveling the playing field.

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[–] derram 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

https://archive.is/A9ZCr | :

Five States Are Considering Bills to Legalize the 'Right to Repair' Electronics | Motherboard

'The hope is that at least one electronics right to repair law will pass this year, similarly opening the floodgates for consumers and repair companies around the country. '

'The bills are squarely aimed at the “authorized repair” model that creates aftermarket monopolies dominated by the manufacturers themselves. '

'For example, Apple has never authorized an independent company to repair iPhones, even though hundreds of companies do so every day (its authorized repair program is only for Mac computers). '

'Many of these independent repair shops exist in limbo: Acquiring parts usually means going on the Chinese grey market or salvaging parts from recycled devices. '

'Lawmakers in five states have introduced legislation that would enshrine the “Right to Repair” electronics, meaning manufacturers will have to sell replacement parts to independent repair shops and consumers and will also have to make their diagnostic and service manuals public. '

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[–] Ace_Pilto 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Yes, dishonest "enforced disposability" has to end.

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[–] dsy-cow 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

this is REALLY big news and should be reported

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[–] analfaveto 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Hang on, I'm going to report it on Voat. Oh.. never mind.

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[–] SomeGuy 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That's fair, will result in voided warranty claims though.

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[–] Fambida 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

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[–] BillMarshall 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This is a very REAL problem. Car makers will not release what they call "proprietary" info (even though it is not) which means that you as a consumer must buy a 1500 dollar brain box from them that could be repair for a couple of hundred dollars. What is even worse is they will discontinue making certain boxes in order to get the cars of the road and they cannot be cloned because they claim copyright infringement of intellectual property. So there are tens of thousands of cars that hit the junkyard every year when they could stay on the road for a long time if only they could be repaired. The car makers don't care because they want you to but a new car.

It has been evolved in the last 15 years and is in full swing no matter what you read. ask any independent autos hop.

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[–] vandilx 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'm not a modern PC gamer anymore. I gave that up years ago. (I used to build my own rigs from scratch.) About 7 years ago, I gave up on desktop computing (fuck sitting down in front of a screen for hours - I do enough of that at work) and switch to a laptop.

These days, my computer use is more of content consumption and a secondary role of writing. Things I could easily accomplish on a tablet or smartphone, but I like having a computer with a filesystem, and the flexibility to directly manage the system on my own.

I also like being able to open my computer and being able to swap out RAM, HDD/SSDs, and such.

For the last 15 years or so, I've been more of an Apple user, with my latest system being a 13" MacBook Pro from 2011. When Apple refreshed the MacBook Pro lineup to systems that can no longer be upgraded, I decided to do a "final" upgrade to my MacBook Pro by replacing the HDD with an SSD and maxing the RAM to 16GB. That will last me for quite a while, but soon there will be a day when I want a new laptop and I'll have to go Windows or Linux, since Apple doesn't want to sell me a computer I can repair or upgrade any more.

I understand that mobile products like smartphones and tablets might be not upgradable or fixable because they are meant to be thrown away in 2-3 years (why?), but don't make your desktop and laptops that way also.

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[–] dsy-cow 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eyidi2HaMY

this guy has alot on right to repair

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