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[–] Vhaine ago  (edited ago)

I'd been collecting IG since the very early 90's. Back in the day I could field like 12,000 points including epicast rules for baneblades and shadow swords. 90% bought used off ebay. Stripped with pinesol and repainted. If I wanted to field a viable IG army these days it'd require a dolly. The last time I put one together it had 120 minies without counting any of the vehicles at all. When I started in this hobby a big game was 1 Chaplin and 2 marine squads. Individual characters had depth with wargear and stat lines. Now it's just a wall of bodies. Who has time to paint 120 minis? It takes 30 minutes just to unpack and setup a game. If I wanted to spend all day on one game, I'd play Command Decision.

It seem like about the time they decided to kill epic is when they decided armies should have hundreds of minis. The current 40k rules would actually work better if you just made the models 1/3rd of the size and treated squads as stands like back in the day of epic. Firing one squad of IG using rapid fire rules would be 20 dice roles without heavy weapons. That's just dumb when you have 10+ squads.

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[–] More_Bort [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I agree, modern rules make battles unmanageable. I know GW made an attempt with Shadow War to allow normal minis to be used in skirmish games, but that game died off. I’m planning on playing either Necromunda or something like Void 1.1 using my existing minis, since anybody I play with isn’t going to be pedantic about WYSIWYG for every little thing.

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[–] Vhaine 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

WYSIWYG is part of the rule lawyer crowd GW manufactured to sell more sprues. Back in the day they had rules for lots of wargear that never actually had models or models that were long out of print for years. The old guys who moved on to smaller shops were all about 'spirit of the game' and 'make up your own rules.' Doing what was fun and making a good story was way more emphasized. Then came the tournament play and the rule lawyers.