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[–] jaceame 0 points 38 points (+38|-0) ago 

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[–] Bindlestiff 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Well now that the knowledge is out there it's on the farmers to find a pesticide that doesn't. Or find a cheaper way to pollinate their crops.

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[–] Sty1us 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It was my understand that farmers have contracts with the pesticide suppliers and its a struggle for them to switch to something else.

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[–] Unreasonable 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That's the point. Ever think they're purposefully trying to depopulate the planet?

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Government regulator holds off on admitting pesticide is killing bees

Damn corporations

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[–] deltasly 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Might as well be one in the same these days.

Corporations and their lobbyists write the laws, politicians don't read them and vote yes when the pay is right.

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[–] x4GTNshinigami 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The corporation is just as much at fault for making the stuff. There are tests done in order to see how it affects certain factors, such as how it affects the environment. So both are in the wrong here

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[–] TibbyTurtle 4 points 48 points (+52|-4) ago 

This is why I can't take people seriously when they advocate for either small government or big government, it makes no difference. arguing in terms of size/power of the government is just a distraction. there is functionally no difference between a small government with no mandate to stop corporations from fucking us, and a large powerful government that lets corporations fuck us. Instead of arguing about the dangers of "big government" we should instead be looking at just who the government is working for.

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[–] MagicalCentaurBeans 3 points 11 points (+14|-3) ago 

well thats really kind of an ignorant statement. Cost alone is a huge difference. A big government needs a lot of taxes to run effeciently. I'm not saying one way or another whether that's "good" or "bad", but come on. think a little.

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[–] Broc_Lia 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

A big government needs a lot of taxes to run effeciently.

FTFY :p

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[–] ChillyHellion 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's even more complex than that, since those taxes go toward some essential running services we'd be paying for anyway. Tax-funded education or private education, you're paying for it either way. Big government vs small government is less important than reigning in whatever power is running the show, whether that's government or private entity.

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[–] goat_boat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Actually a government doesn't need to take in any taxes at all to operate. Maybe true for the last few thousand years, when debts were paid in gold, but these days the government just print as much "money" as they like and distribute it to whomever they please. Taxes are just a sink in the system to control for inflation and provide an increase in perceived value of the paper. Think about that one for a bit. But your point is still valid about a smaller government needing to print fewer pieces of paper.

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[–] x4GTNshinigami 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

At this point I'm on the same wagon, everyone always points out how Big government will ruin us, yet big corporation did just as much damage in the 1800s and they are still doing damage now.

So fuck them all might as well just start over

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[–] Zimque 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The fourteenth amendment freed slaves and corporations at the same time. True. Corporations and slaves were not allowed to roam free in America until then. Corporations of the ante bellum era had a purpose and they were dismantled as soon as the bridge or the canal was built. Founding fathers didn't want corporations and we didn't have them, aside from public works projects, for close to 100 years.

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[–] prairie 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Instead of arguing about the dangers of "big government" we should instead be looking at just who the government is working for.

It will never work for you. That's one of its inherent flaws. You want a scorpion that doesn't bite, or water that isn't wet.

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[–] Unreasonable 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Smaller Governments can do less damage. Think about a 100 lb sledge vs a 1 lb ping hammer.

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[–] dkyuss 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

Seriously though guys, isn't it the EPA's job to ensure the safety of commercial products??? Who and how do we hold them accountable???

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[–] 0fsgivin 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago  (edited ago)

OH man...don't look into the FDA lol. You will be a sad panda...

Just so you know the FDA actually stands for "Fucking Die Already".

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[–] CowWithBeef 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Should come up with a way to say "Protection for Monsanto and Pfizer" with those letters as well, but I suppose that's not possible.

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[–] Bubbha 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Can confirm. I am sad panda.

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[–] rwbj 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Regulatory capture. The problem is mega corporations and the government that's supposed to be regulating them are becoming one and the same. The thing that really needs to happen is a major change to politics enforcing a separation between corporation and state similar to the separation we have between church and state.

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[–] Broc_Lia 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Becoming? Are you trying to imply they ever were, or could be, separate? Unless you can find a new type of human who never accepts bribes, this is as good as it gets.

Upvote for truth at any rate,

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[–] leweb 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Well that would be holding the government accountable, right?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry lol. Government accountable lol (wipes tears)

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[–] Vaati 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago  (edited ago)

If it's beneficial to the economy and doesn't immediately cause people to vomit blood, things will usually be approved until there's years of evidence that it's fucking shit up.

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[–] deltasly 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The DuPont article from the other day noted that DuPont wrote the regulations. New chemd don't even require safety testing before they go to market :(

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[–] Broc_Lia 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

After decades of bribes you mean.

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[–] OhBlindOne [S] 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

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[–] RobotTiger 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

Ya know, bees are insects; if I buy an insecticide, I'd be pissed that it didn't kill bees.

Imidacloprid is the only thing I've found that works with reasonable efficacy on the fleas in my area. I don't blanket the area with it, but sure as fuck I put it on my maminals.

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[–] BistroPalin 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

It works extremely well for flea control on dogs and cats without risking their health and when used in this context presents absolutely no risk whatsoever to bees. Likewise with termite control where it is literally the most safe and environmentally friendly method for effective termite control known. The problem is that for some reason people are using it on flowering crops, which is obviously a terrible idea. The solution here is to ban that use, and retain termite and flea usages. But unfortunately the irrational anti-science brigade is likely to create a blanket ban on all uses including those that present no threat whatsoever to bees.

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[–] cellae 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Is that chemical in store-bought flea killing sprays and foggers? I'm trying to get rid of a flea infestation in my house and I'm losing the battle right now. I'll try almost anything to get rid of them.

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[–] RobotTiger 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It's the one in the expensive flea drops. All the cheaper ones never worked for me. You can get it in bulk by looking around in the pesticide section of plant nurseries, just be sure what you get doesn't have any fertilizer or anything, and try to get the dosages right-ish. It doesn't go through mammal skin easily, so there's some leeway, but don't let your cats ingest it if you put it on them.

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[–] TibbyTurtle 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

The EPA should be made financially liable for the damages caused by them lying/covering up for corporations like this.

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[–] selpai 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Nono, don't you get it? It only starts being harmful when they have to legally admit it is. Everything was fine, right up until this point.

On a completely different note, preemptive measures against possible health dangers promotes a culture of fear and superstition! We should only start taking action after something has been conclusively proven to be harmful. /s

America, the human trial.

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