[–] Hammernale 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago  (edited ago)

There are two HCQ studies in very high profile journals which are now experiencing increased scrutiny, and will likely end up being a black eye for these journals: the study in the Lancet published 5/22, and the study published in The New England Journal of Medicine published on May 1.

Both use data from a small and little known data and stats company called Surgisphere. This Sciencemag article indicates that people associated with them are now dropping them from their CVs.

I suppose this incident serves to demonstrate once again Clemens’s Maxim that “there are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.”

I updated this post to add:

It now seems likely that the data was realistically faked with the help of artificial neural network models. As we all know, neural networks can be trained to “predict” or generate information which is similar to data used to train the models. The Surgisphere guy seems pretty sketchy, he’s been sued for malpractice and has his medical license removed, he’s involved with shady cryptocurrencies and “neural enhancement” devices. He claims surgisphere uses machine learning to collect anonymized healthcare data from hospitals around the world, but people are starting to wonder if it’s just been faked.

[–] Gorillion 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Stats-4-You?

No, too cheap-sounding.

Stats-R-Us?

Same. We don't want the Strip Mall crowd.

Custom Statistics?

Nice, classy-sounding...but it'll be a little too obvious in any science paper citations.

Sugisphere?

Perfect!

[–] Hammernale 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Apparently it’s actually spelled Surgisphere. Like wtf is that

[–] Blue333 ago 

Lol!!!

[–] knightwarrior41 1 point 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

There are two HCQ studies in very high profile journals which are now experiencing increased scrutiny, and will likely end up being a black eye for these journals: the study in the Lancet published 5/22, and the study published in The New England Journal of Medicine published on May 1.

Both use data from a small and little known data and stats company called Sugisphere. This Sciencemag article indicates that people associated with them are now dropping them from their CVs.

I suppose this incident serves to demonstrate once again Clemens’s Maxim that “there are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.”

glad that you are aware

[–] Hammernale 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

It frustrates me that statistics is such an arcane art that these kinds of shenanigans can be perpetrated. In addition to history, we need to arm ourselves with knowledge of statistics in order to prevent distortions and abuses like this from being able to influence policy.

Also, we may want to consider civil or criminal penalties in cases where it can be proved that abuse of statistics was intentional. But this may not be necessary so long as the science community can effectively self-police.

[–] undertheshills 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

What kind of fucking monster politicizes medical science. Literally no one is for this kind of shit. It has to be kikes.

[–] Nonymous608 1 point 14 points (+15|-1) ago 

Who's shocked by this? Or even a little surprised? This is all to make Trump look bad...nothing more.

[–] heywoodnj 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

That's why Trump got in front of it. It's cheaper than tonic water and he knew they were going to bury it in favor of some gates,soros ,clinton magic bullet that really does god knows what.

There is a plan, we don't dare trust it. The whole thing reeks.

[–] Nonymous608 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Amen my friend!!!

[–] Helena73 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

No silly the hospitals made $40,000 for every senior that died on a respirator. Big pharma made thousands on every patient that went on remdisivir instead of HCQ or one of a half dozen other cheap drugs that will all essentially cure covid if given early. Plus lots of seniors off the social security rolls so we can send south america to college for free. Money

[–] trackmeplease 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Nice that science mag posted this.

[–] Helena73 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Yeah how did that happen? Science mag not following orders.

[–] itshappeningnow 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

They needed the quarantine to seem credible, which requires the virus to be "untreatable." A safe, effective treatment would undermine the whole scheme.

[–] knightwarrior41 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

the lancet was bogus and most thinking people caught that early on.they just want covid sufferers to buy the 1000 per flask remdesivir vs the 1 dollar anti malarial drug like planeqil

[–] PhilKDick 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

[–] Blue333 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

“The U.S. healthcare analytic company also only has 11 employees who have a limited background in science, including a science fiction writer and an adult content model, per the Guardian. Some employees, found on LinkedIn by the Guardian, had only joined the company two months ago.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/major-study-warning-against-use-of-hydroxychloroquine-questioned-for-faking-data/ar-BB14Zcs8

[–] Sanpa33 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Not now,we moved on to another national crisis about niggers' fragile feelings being hurt.

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