[–] smellmaster 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Could anyone clarify something for me? It seems that majority of the climate change boogieman is about getting money from citizens, but are there real environmental concerns that we as humanity should get a grip on? Ocean bleaching, nuclear waste, pollutants/chemicals destroying insect life...the list is near endless under the climate change umbrella. Which are hoaxes for money/power, and which are legitimate concerns?

[–] irelandLost 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Decimating the oceans is very real as far as I can tell. Marine stocks have plummeted in the last 100 or so years because we essentially still act like hunter gatherers rather than agrarians, hunting wild stocks of fish to feed ourselves

[–] HoneyTrap1488 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The saddest thing is that it's Europe and America paying for it and organizing the cleanup efforts and yet it's been shown that the vast majority of ocean pollutants and solid waste come from 3-4 rivers in Asia. Most white people recycle and dispose of trash and sewage responsibly and yet we're the ones the (((MSM))) tries to blame and we're the ones the (((government))) wants to (((tax))).

[–] Damnpasswords 1 point 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Because it's not economical to invest R&D into clean and efficient large scale fish farming, because they bottom out the prices with fish raised in unsanitary conditions in shitholes.

[–] madhatter67 1 point 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

If we built things to last, that could be repaired, and didn't rely on plastic and petrochemicals for so much I think the environment would be in much better shape.

Of course nihilistic materialism is more profitable so that's what we get

[–] chirogonemd 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

All business models/forecasting are built on short-term assumptions. The system itself is based on materialist assumptions. Naturally. That's business. If you figure out how to incentivize values and moral behavior in some way that makes money (i.e., doesn't involve God or a mega Christian prosperity church), let me know. I've been looking for it forever.

[–] Damnpasswords 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

We used to build things to last, I still use a toaster from the 50s, but a throw away society is also a reliant society. A society that can't handle disruption. One that can't afford to demand change.

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[–] Crayonall9t 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Primer for this study: «Endocrine disruptors may be found in many everyday products– including plastic bottles, metal food cans, detergents, flame retardants, food, toys, cosmetics, and pesticides. NIEHS supports studies to determine whether exposure to endocrine disruptors may result in human health effects including lowered fertility and an increased incidence of endometriosis and some cancers. Research shows that endocrine disruptors may pose the greatest risk during prenatal and early postnatal development when organ and neural systems are forming.» https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/agents/endocrine/index.cfm

[–] GreatestOfAllTime 5 points 3 points (+8|-5) ago 

Nuclear waste and nuclear bombs are hoaxes. Nuclear energy is so cheap, clean and safe that if it was used large scale would basically be free. So it was demonized by the media and heavily regulated by the government to oy vey shut it down

[–] Damnpasswords 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

The drastic reduction in natural gas prices would be incredible. They shut it down for the same reason they turned the Apollo missions into the apex of the space program instead of a stepping stone in 1963.

Von Braun wanted to assemble the moon transit vehicle in orbit and make it multiuse, it could have been used to get to mars, and potentially (and far more importantly) for use in asteroid mining, which would bottom out the prices of most precious mineral resources.

Imagine gold wiring being common. Imagine the technological breakthroughs that would suddenly become economical to fund. "We'd never be able to sell batteries made out of X, they'd cost a fortune, so why should we waste R&D on it?"

Imagine the instability and sudden shifts in power this might create. Technology in general has been hampered due to fears of a loss of reliance on centralization and government planning. 3d printed guns aren't what they're really afraid of, they're afraid of 3d printers. They claim to be afraid of preppers rising up, but they're more scared of them walking away.

[–] chirogonemd 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I've always looked for the common element that made all of the apparently disparate aspects of "conspiracy" theory into a cohesive body. What finally did that, and this has only been recent for me (in the past year) is: energy. It's the most fundamental thing.

Between Einsteinian physics and big oil, I think not only the energetic nature of our cosmos has been kept from us, and practical clean energy has been kept from us more locally, while they continue to plot tax systems to enforce being green because of fucking carbon, and spew green energy propaganda at us via the news. A kid going through our education system will go through 12 years and not hear a word about Tesla, except maybe a passing nod. And a cheap nuclear energy source is available to all of us, to the extent that if we'd implemented it decades ago, we'd probably have scaled down the reactors to the point every town would have one and our electric bills would be nil. But remember, that's assuming your government wants life to be better for you. Haha.

[–] totallynotFBI 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

You seriously think basically every environmental and physical scientist in existence is in on one giant hoax?

[–] Andthentherewere10ds ago  (edited ago)

I'm not sold, Chernobyl happened because they didn't understand the technology but Fukushima in Japan if they can have an accident I don't want them anywhere where I live that's for sure. The damage radiation can do to an environment is horrific and all you have to do is Google hisashi ouchi, was kept alive for 83 days with radiation poising

Nsfl on his last days https://www.google.com/search?q=hisashi+ouchi&client=ms-android-samsung-gj-rev1&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwju-Mb107TjAhXGVRUIHReICyAQ_AUoAXoECA4QAQ&biw=360&bih=612

I shouldn't be using jewgle I know. but I for one think theres better alternatives we may find in the future but accidents happen so nuclear energy is still very questionable but hey, better than coal and oil

[–] Sanpa33 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I'm all for recycling, clean earth,renewable energy,green jobs, and nuclear energy. What I'm against is global warming,because it's a tax grab,job killer, and cult.

[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I'm all for recycling, clean earth,renewable energy,green jobs

So long as your green jobs don't involve some bureaucrat taxing the shit out of us to throw money at the solar panel manufacturer who funded his campaign then great.

[–] fluhthreeex ago 

"Global Warming" isn't a term I hear often. It's man made, it's not, who gives a fuck--it's almost a complete non issue. The core message has always been Reduce, Reuse, Recycle, because we're fucking up the Earth and as a result we're fucking up ourselves.

[–] worthlesshope ago 

Me too. You said it easier than me. What do you think should be done? How can a person vote to help the environment but be against the global warming cult?

[–] Charilko 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Great. If we can kill the cult of climate alarmism, maybe we can start fixing the real problems. Like all the shit China and India pump into our oceans.

[–] webrustler 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

"New evidence suggests that high-energy particles from space known as galactic cosmic rays affect the Earth's climate by increasing cloud cover, causing an 'umbrella effect'

O RLY? The Great Global Warming Swindle (TV Movie 2007)

This is from two thousand fucking SEVEN!

[–] AdmiralEnchilada ago 

Bullshit. Havent had a real winter in 10 years in my area. Sun is at its coldest in 10 years, and every year has been the global highesr average for years now.

Hope you all enjoy starving to death when more crops fail, like they did this year.

Leftists have diversity, righties have weather.

[–] Zoldam ago 

They have found this for decades now, the media and politicians will still push the narrative despite it however, and normies will still eat it up.

[–] ibepokey ago 

shit, better not let AOC find out.

she'll be campaigning to shoot out the sun.

[–] dobbyhobby 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

What are the main theories on why the powers that be are pushing global warming? To have an excuse for a half billion climate refugees? My schizo idea is that they have some weaopon that they could make look like a natural event they could blame on global warming.

[–] Damnpasswords 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

To distract us from the pollution that has caused the average male grip strength to halve, the top of the "normal/safe" testosterone range to plummet from 1200 to 800, sperm counts to decrease (which mostly affects races that wait until they're established to have kids) and this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5017538/

We're all "responsible" for global warming, get it? They blame us for flying once a year while they jetset around the world to climate conferences.

[–] MurkSquatch 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

That link is broken on mobile. Did they control for race in grip strength? An increasing number of Hispanics and Asians would certainly bring that down. Not to half, but a ways.

[–] smellmaster 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

If you have time, check out kevin shipp on youtube. He's an ex CIA officer who whistleblew on climate changing tech owned by CIA. Not sure how credible, or if any of that info is active under trump, but it's similar to your thoughts.

[–] dobbyhobby 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

yeah tbh I believe the powers that be have a much softer type of power currently then many people on sites like these do and I hav a ahrd time buying into some of the stuff even like what I said. I just think if the elites have the total power some people think they do we would be in the end stages already

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