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I've got a guy on reddit right now arguing with me about how "race realism" is pseudoscience, and to be honest I'm not sure I'm well versed enough on the minutiae and hard data to make a compelling argument for it. (Plus I'm lazy when it comes to internet arguments.) He won't engage at all with any sources I've provided since they're all from "racist cranks". I know I should probably just let it go and study up, but it's a little frustrating. I'm trying to convey that while it's true most biologists/geneticists/psychometricians won't outright state that race realism is legit, a significant portion of them do support all sorts of evidence in its favor, and the conclusion becomes obvious in light of that.
All these links are helpful. It's: Existence of Race; Racial Diversity; Race and IQ and Race and Crime.
Read these, whenever you need them. On facts and evidence alone, a race denier will never win. Never.
The best a race denier can do is get emotional and cry about you being a racist or whatever. But the facts are 100% on your side, and he won't be able to refute a single one of them. In the links above, the common counter-arguments like "More variation within than between"; "Stereotype threat", etc. are all addressed aswell.
There was a recent post here on Voat about the founder(derp) discoverer of DNA getting his scientific awards pulled for the usual leftist BS reasons.
Otherwise, another angle of attack is via IQ, like how Koko the Gorilla had mid-80 IQ but the average Somalian is in the 60s.
Or just how silly it seems that evolution created all these physically different versions of humanity, and yet somehow all of our brains are exactly the same? Similarly, comparing skull shape vs. brain size and its' parts is an interesting one to point out, for example some African tribes (and even some old civs like the Aztecs) have flat foreheads, but if their brain were normal-sized then the flat area is where the (pre?)frontal cortex would be, which controls speech and emotion (iirc).
There's a few angles for you, sorry I don't have sources on hand but those might be helpful to look into.
Edit: derpy crossthrough, didn't think that one through.
2nd edit: conveniently on the front page of /all is this post demonstrating my skull comparison point.
Iq although highly heritable is not simply genetic potential of intelligence. It is actual intelligence and can be influenced by nutrition and developing environment too.
Surely he doesn’t think Stanford University are racist cranks.
“The study is by far the largest, consisting of 3,636 people who all identified themselves as either white, African-American, East Asian or Hispanic. Of these, only five individuals had DNA that matched an ethnic group different than the box they checked at the beginning of the study. That's an error rate of 0.14 percent.
‘This shows that people's self-identified race/ethnicity is a nearly perfect indicator of their genetic background,’ Risch said.”*
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I saw this on youtube and thought it was great so I'll copy it for you here:
Race realists claim: Height gives an advantage in the sport of basketball, so naturally there will be fewer Asians in the NBA because they are genetically predisposed to being shorter, on average, than other races. Blacks will be over-represented because they are genetically predisposed to being taller on average. For this reason, you will never see an African Pygmy professional basketball player.
Marxists claim: there's no such thing as race, race is a social construct, therefore the NBA is a racist organization because it hires a disproportionate number of blacks compared to other races, especially Asians.
Race realists claim: On average, West Africans make better sprinters, East Africans make better long-distance runners, and Europeans make better swimmers, based on data from Olympic medalists. Also, the sherpas in Nepal fare better in high-altitude compared to the tourists they take up Mt. Everest, and Asians out-perform whites on IQ tests.
Marxists claim: Race-realists are white supremacists who believe whites are superior in every way. Also if certain races do better in certain sports or tests that's just down to individual differences or how they were raised.
Race realists claim: Human skull sizes and shapes differ according to race. Crime scene investigators / forensics experts can determine the race (of the three major categories: Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid), gender, and age of human remains based on a skull, or even just a fragment of a skull or other important bones (like the femur).
Marxists claim: CSI and forensics and anthropology is racist, as any two individuals of the same race can have very different skull size and shape. There is more difference within the races than between races! Believing in that is akin to believing in phrenology!
Race realists claim: Asians score higher on all kinds of cognitive tests. That is why they are over-represented in Silicon Valley like Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, and Yahoo!. In fact, at Yahoo! Asians make up more than 50% of the employees despite being such a tiny demographic of the US population because they are genetically predisposed to being intelligent. Since latinos and blacks don't make great programmers, they are under-represented.
Marxists claim: These companies are clearly racist, despite the pressure from social justice advocates and their own diversity chiefs trying desperately to increase the numbers of minorities working there. There should be equal numbers of all races at these companies because everyone has the same average intelligence. This is inexcusable.
Race realists claim: there's more to racial differences than athletic and cognitive abilities. Behavioral differences have also been shown to exist. Blacks tend to be the most promiscuous, while Asians tend to be the least promiscuous. This explains the CDC's findings of higher rates of all STDs in the black community, as well as the higher rates of virginity in countries like Japan.
Marxists claim: any differences in STDs is because of racism, the notion that the Japanese are less likely to engage in casual unprotected sex than Africans is racist.
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[–] oneinchterror 0 points 10 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago
I've got a guy on reddit right now arguing with me about how "race realism" is pseudoscience, and to be honest I'm not sure I'm well versed enough on the minutiae and hard data to make a compelling argument for it. (Plus I'm lazy when it comes to internet arguments.) He won't engage at all with any sources I've provided since they're all from "racist cranks". I know I should probably just let it go and study up, but it's a little frustrating. I'm trying to convey that while it's true most biologists/geneticists/psychometricians won't outright state that race realism is legit, a significant portion of them do support all sorts of evidence in its favor, and the conclusion becomes obvious in light of that.
[–] Acerphoon 0 points 9 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago
All these links are helpful. It's: Existence of Race; Racial Diversity; Race and IQ and Race and Crime.
Read these, whenever you need them. On facts and evidence alone, a race denier will never win. Never.
The best a race denier can do is get emotional and cry about you being a racist or whatever. But the facts are 100% on your side, and he won't be able to refute a single one of them. In the links above, the common counter-arguments like "More variation within than between"; "Stereotype threat", etc. are all addressed aswell.
[–] ItGoesOnAnonAnonAnon 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago (edited ago)
There was a recent post here on Voat about the
founder(derp) discoverer of DNA getting his scientific awards pulled for the usual leftist BS reasons.Otherwise, another angle of attack is via IQ, like how Koko the Gorilla had mid-80 IQ but the average Somalian is in the 60s.
Or just how silly it seems that evolution created all these physically different versions of humanity, and yet somehow all of our brains are exactly the same? Similarly, comparing skull shape vs. brain size and its' parts is an interesting one to point out, for example some African tribes (and even some old civs like the Aztecs) have flat foreheads, but if their brain were normal-sized then the flat area is where the (pre?)frontal cortex would be, which controls speech and emotion (iirc).
There's a few angles for you, sorry I don't have sources on hand but those might be helpful to look into.
Edit: derpy crossthrough, didn't think that one through.
2nd edit: conveniently on the front page of /all is this post demonstrating my skull comparison point.
[–] european 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
Iq although highly heritable is not simply genetic potential of intelligence. It is actual intelligence and can be influenced by nutrition and developing environment too.
[–] CallASpadeASpade 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
If he’s saying race doesn’t exist, give him this link...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050128221025.htm
Surely he doesn’t think Stanford University are racist cranks.
“The study is by far the largest, consisting of 3,636 people who all identified themselves as either white, African-American, East Asian or Hispanic. Of these, only five individuals had DNA that matched an ethnic group different than the box they checked at the beginning of the study. That's an error rate of 0.14 percent.
‘This shows that people's self-identified race/ethnicity is a nearly perfect indicator of their genetic background,’ Risch said.”*
[–] 16419378? [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
I saw this on youtube and thought it was great so I'll copy it for you here: