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[–] SrBearLordofOldCastl 0 points 38 points (+38|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Only people who like drama and SJW were the ones who jumped into conclusions too fast, there was an article explaining the whole thing, what he said was said as a joke and most of the people who Were there laughed, women included.

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[–] Thorium 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Mrs St Louis include that she regularly writes for national newspapers such as the Daily Mail, the Sunday Times and the Independent.

If you were going to lie about writing for a newspaper to make yourself seem important, why would you pick an organization as poorly regarded as the Daily Mail to be your fake employer?

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[–] FriedrichNietzsche 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

He still lost his tenured post. The damage was done.

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[–] StarshipEngineer 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

As it should be.

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[–] SrBearLordofOldCastl 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

yeah I know the world we live on will try to stab you at his first opportunity.

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[–] PeterParking 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What?! He was only an honorary professor. What does his tenure have to do with anything?!

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[–] jtt8355 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

“Let me tell you about my trouble with girls. ‘Three things happen when they are in the lab. You fall in love with them, they fall in love with you, and when you criticise them, they cry.” <-- given that he's married to one of the most well-respected scientists in her field, the faux outrage from the left was outrageous. That they fell in love working together makes his comment more sentimental - even sweet - instead of sinister and punishable.

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[–] PeterParking 6 points 0 points (+6|-6) ago  (edited ago)

Please oh please don't bring gender wars kotakus whatevers here :(

I just realized the chick that wrote the article is the one that appears on fox news all the time. How the hell did this end up here?

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[–] Predicament 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Another point I think a lot of people miss is that, from my perspective, the "when you criticize them, they cry" comment comes third on the list for a reason. He's saying he fell in love with his wife, and she fell in love with him - and because of that dynamic he could not criticize her, because it wasn't a scientist criticizing a scientist - it was a husband criticizing his wife. I don't think he meant to imply that women in general cry if you criticize them.

EDIT: I'm wrong. He was a teacher to his current wife, and he had an affair on his previous wife with her to boot. Now I'm not sure what to believe.

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[–] PeterParking 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I am pretty sure that is not how it went.

He only taught her classes (biochemistry if I remember right) and he was having an affair with her while married with his first wife.

People are really stretching this story lol

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[–] Femroe 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

His comments did call to attention another concern plaguing women in science and other progressive fields. There was a rather interesting study done regarding women and how we handle criticism, and unfortunately, this scientist was mostly right. Women tend to have an emotional response when faced with criticism because we aren't conditioned to handle it from a young age like young men are. As a result, we aren't equipped later in life to deal with it.

His comments, even without additional context, don't strike me as sexist. He's just an awkward scientist who expressed himself in a less than ideal way. The way we are all blowing every little comment out of proportion is absurd. The man lost his tenure over this one comment? That's extreme and insulting to all people, everywhere.

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[–] PeterParking 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Well he only taught her classes.

He was also having a fling with her while still married to his first wife.

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[–] krilaero 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Source? I haven't heard of an affair happening.

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[–] eraptic 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This makes me feel ill. He's a 72 year old man, it's likely his career will never recover from this. All because some clickbait sunflower of a "journalist" decided to publish what were sarcastic comments, used to juxtapose the entire message of his speech. Filth!

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[–] eraptic 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Especially when the woman he is talking about in the joke, is his fucking wife!!

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[–] RedSocks157 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

If I were him, I wouldn't even want my job with the university back. They were so willing to throw him under the bus, why would you want to work for them anymore?

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[–] StarshipEngineer 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

No one is, if they say something that is offensive, as it should be. Having credentials or awards doesn't mean someone is some kind of paragon or is otherwise above reproach. There are lots of smart people who are very wrong about some things.

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[–] StarshipEngineer 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Being old isn't an excuse for inappropriate speech. The message of that speech is that he doesn't consider women to be equals in the workplace or in science, and resorting to ad hominem attacks on those who pointed that out doesn't do much to address the issue.

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[–] uglylaughingman 1 points 19 points (+20|-1) ago 

I take it you read the remarks in context, and still feel they were "Innapropriate"? Or were you just vomting out what you've heard somewhere else as fact?

For context, here's the transcript that has been released:

"It’s strange that such a chauvinist monster like me has been asked to speak to women scientists. Let me tell you about my trouble with girls. Three things happen when they are in the lab: you fall in love with them, they fall in love with you, and when you criticize them they cry. Perhaps we should make separate labs for boys and girls?

‘Now seriously, I’m impressed by the economic development of Korea. And women scientists played, without doubt an important role in it. Science needs women and you should do science despite all the obstacles, and despite monsters like me,'

If you read that and saw it as a sexist or mysoginistic rant, you need to go straight to your middle school english teacher and punch them in the taint, because they clearly failed you on a fundamental level.

Actually, let me retract that- it's clear that your reading comprehension is low enough that you might take that seriously, so please, do NOT punch your middle school english teacher in the taint.

Do it to yourself instead, over and over again, while repeating: "I will not stop listening to a speaker's statements once I assume I know what they are saying- I will actually listen to comprehend the ideas conveyed."

About a thousand times ought to do it.

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[–] captainplanet2 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Exactly where did he insinuate that women were not equal?

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[–] eraptic 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

So you insist I believe the word of someone who is a course director for a MA in Science Journalism, who lied about having a science degree, over the European Commission's report? No, thank-you! Nevermind things he also said such as "science needs women like you", or even that he had followed that phrase with "Now, seriously" making it fairly obvious it was facetious, although in bad taste. I'm sure his wife, also a prominent scientist doesn't think that he considers women inferior in science.

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[–] TheKinglyWe 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Why do women have legs? So they can get from the bedroom to the kitchen! p.s. not my joke..

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[–] rks 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

On the upside, more people are learning that 'journalism' is often no more than a knee jerk reaction. Not one outlet bothered to look for a tape of the event, or ask the organizers or participants what Tim Hunt actually said. They jumped straight to rage mode.

If you ever give a speech, get a dashcam — to record yourself and the reaction of the audience. This way there won't be anything to argue about anymore.

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[–] ForcingChickens 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I second the dashcam idea.

I think this is an important demonstration of how sometimes when we read a news story we confuse elaboration on a topic with complete speculation about a topic.

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[–] Eutropius 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I have learnt to do that with media interviews, and following this incident your suggestion is sounding like a good idea.

For media interviews, fortunately I learnt the easy way - through a training session. It was run by an ex TV presenter, who recorded an interview with myself and then later edited it with different questions and incomplete responses. Just knowing this can occur is nothing compared to watching what can be done to you personally and how bad an 'innocent' interview can be transformed into. Since then I have always made and kept my own recording (recording the consent from the interviewer) regardless of how safe I expected the interview to be, though thankfully I have not needed to use one, ... yet.

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[–] HITTINGOPRAHDAILY 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

White male, speaking, can turn into a good thing with the mob mentality of the main stream media. Its a damn shame what happen to this guy. Hopefully he will bounce back.

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[–] PeterParking 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

To be honest

They used him as a boxing sac for all the frustrations of being in science now.

With the budget cuts of the last couple of years solme labs are opting for guys instead of chicks to maximize science time (no maternity leaves more time on the bench).

Tim is an awesome guy and every single talk and host lunch I had with him was a delight. I feel horrible for what he is going through. He is not the most gracious person I've met but he did a great deal for everyone in science. This is sad

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[–] PeterParking 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

This post does not come from a a typical scientific publisher (I didn't even know what hot-air was)

This post does have a sensationalist title (which is frowned upon)

And it still trampled all the other actual science news :(

It is a perfectly fine news piece, just not sure if this is the space for it

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[–] PeterParking 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This just plainly detracts from what this sub is supposed to be all about, since the mod team doesn't seem to be very active this is just going to stay here, the discussion of the peer review work wanes and it is a pity.

It is not often that you can openly criticize science, this is def not about science, it just happens to involve a scientist

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[–] sugar_walls 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's not a fine news piece, it's biased as all get-out and full of hyperbolic language.

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[–] PeterParking 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Some people like just that

This is not the place for it

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[–] coconuts 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Also, I tried to find this "Leaked EU report", but the Hot Air article is citing The Independent and The Independent is citing The Times. How about the media just lets us read the report for ourselves so we can make up our damned minds?

I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle.

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[–] PeterParking 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What matters is the title and the circlejerk

Forget the science

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[–] Folkwayz 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Interestingly I feel like that is why most of us are here at voat. So that we can have a discussion and not have someone dissect a part of what we say and try to demonize us. Unfortunately it seems to be human nature.

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[–] uncivilengineer 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

My room mate used to tell stories about one of his favourite professors in an graduate program he was in at the time. This professor came from Poland had a rather unpleasant accent (just like most of the engineering and mathematics professors in our university) and unfortunately that tended to make him sound kind of sleazy from time to time. In addition, he also loved to make very awkward jokes and comments with a slightly sexist flavour. He did not mean what he said (of course) and he just did it because he wanted to light up the mood of a 5pm to 9pm Advanced Metallurgy class on a Thursday. So for the people who were in the class, this was a welcoming feature because you shouldn't expect anyone to seat solemnly through 4 hours of engineering class after a full day of work. However, if anyone were to record what he tended to say and played it to a stranger, that could have upset the listener greatly. This professor was a brilliant researcher in the advanced material field and his contribution to the field was plentiful. Tim Hunt reminds me of this professor and I feared for day some SJW would do exactly that just to ruin a great person's career.

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