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[–] canbot 7 points -2 points (+5|-7) ago  (edited ago)

eugenics is stupid because you can't reliably predict the results. Genetics is extremely complicated. Billions of variables, each one having a tiny effect on every variable in life so that there is only a collective outcome and not one that can be measured for each gene.

Intelligent people have fewer babies voluntarily. This leads to huge problems and is a losing strategy globally. Intelligent people commit suicide at a much higher rate. Have higher social anxiety. And often suffer depression. This does not make for a utopic society.

Like most things, if used extremely carefully and sparingly, it has great potential. But it is a recipe for disaster the way people like you want to use it.

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[–] anoncastillo [S] 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Don't confuse randomness in individual results with predictability in large scale results. If two smart people have 10 kids and two stupid people have 10 kids, the smart people's 10 kids will be smarter on average than the stupid people's 10 kids even if a couple of the smart people's kids come out dumb and a couple of the dumb people's kids come out smart.

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[–] canbot 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

You misunderstood my argument completely. It is not intelligence that we can not select for. It is all of the other variables at the same time, multiplied by all of the ways those variables make a difference dependent on outside conditions.

If you make everyone smart, but at the same time make them ugly, insecure, antisocial, depressed incels what good have you done? You have destroyed the human race.

Think of it like pruning a bush. Small snips here and there can make it beautiful and stronger. Cutting off all the branches except one kills the bush.

Life is complicated. Small genetic differences effect everyone differently because everyone has a unique life. There is zero chance that we can breed the perfect human. Conditions change. Our understanding of the effects of genes is retarded, therefore wide scale eugenics is retarded.

Species with low variability have gone extinct because of it, and we can too. Dumb people provide a lot of value, I am on my phone so I can't do that argument justice right now, but intelligence alone is not the key to success or happiness or being a decent human.

For the best results we should embrace our differences instead of attacking them.

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[–] Pukudo 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

If you selected people on the results of these scientific papers you'd be breeding a generation people with mental disorders.

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[–] RoundWheel 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It was never about predicting the individual but the group genetics. Your position is based on propaganda.

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[–] canbot 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

This makes no difference in my argument. All of it applies to groups.

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[–] Schreiber 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Intelligent people commit suicide at a much higher rate. Have higher social anxiety. And often suffer depression.

That's because they're smart enough to figure out that life is shit and most people are evil, selfish assholes who are simply virtue signaling. Once you realize this fact your life will never be the same again.

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[–] glennvtx 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I don't know why you were downvoated, this is accurate.