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[–] lipids 9 points 48 points (+57|-9) ago 

Spoiler: the cancer definitely will kill them. The chemotherapy at least gives them a chance.

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[–] ZYX321 0 points 29 points (+29|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Chemo is our attempt at slowly poisoning ourselves and hoping it kills the cancer first. Agree with you,we know the cancer will kill us.

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[–] ZenAtheist 4 points 14 points (+18|-4) ago 

These "alternative medicine" nutjobs think that apricot pits and crystal power are viable options to treat cancer.

We've known forever that chemo is dangerous and can kill you, but there is no other treatment linked to cancer remission.

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[–] Scablifter 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Is that right?

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[–] gladly 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Unless it was a wrong diagnosis and they don't have cancer in the first place. How many of the "cured" cancer patients were actually misdiagnosed?

No one really knows. The patient has no idea, the doctor doesn't care and media has no interest in pursuing it.

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[–] NeoGoat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

On a related note, I recall a study about early detection of breast cancer. As an unintended result, it turned out that either 20 or 25% of those diagnosed with early detection did not go on to develop cancer without treatment. The conclusion was that there is a high rate of spontaneous remission. I think spontaneous remission is normally discounted by the medical community, unless it occurs simultaneously with treatment. My understanding is that the body is constantly developing and fighting off, via the immune system, tiny cancers. Occasionally, one grows large. If chemo weakens the immune system, one becomes a sitting duck for an remnants of the old or to new cancers that develop.

Any thoughts? @meowski

also @AmaleksHairyAss

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[–] AmaleksHairyAss 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Hopefully AI will make it more certain and much less expensive to get a second opinion from an oncologist.

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[–] HorseIsDead 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Also weed is really good at counteracting some of the worst side effects of chemo. Edibles are stupid and have no medical value for chemo because they cause nausea and horrible body dysphoria if you take even just a little bit too much. But inhaled (vaporized, or if you're a dumbass, smoked) is pretty fucking good at killing nausea and encouraging appetite while distracting you from pain.

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[–] NeoGoat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I know a guy who claimed to have cured himself by consuming extremely large amounts of hash in cold smoothies. Even if you get nausea & dysphoria, you still get CBD and other chemicals into your system, so I can't see they are of no medical value.

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[–] meowski 1 points 22 points (+23|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I worked as a bioinformatician in one of the top cancer biology labs in the world for several years. We did genomic sequence analysis on many thousands of cancer cases. I sat on most weekly tumor board meetings over the span of 2.5 years.

First of all, metastatic cancer will kill you eventually if you do nothing. Many types of chemo actually make cancer worse, or fail to kill the whole cancer. They're mostly indiscriminate and wipe out the immune system as well as some of the cancer, often leaving the most aggressive cells behind to return later.

There are a select few typtes of chemo that have pretty high success on certain cancers. Certain hormone sensitive cancers of sex organs can respond to hormone ablation therapy.

I am not going to dismiss the effectiveness of alternative therapies like CBD/THC extracts of cannabis, or amygdalin which is a cyanide+sugar compound extracted from apricot or biwa seed pits. Many types of cancer cells are well known to have increased glucose (sugar) metabolism.

There are literally thousands of different events in the genome that, in combination, lead to cancer. Virtually no two cancers are the same.

Tumor/normal exome + RNA seq gene expression can reveal the underlying causes of the cancer and provide a better path forward to choose drugs that may be effective. It's a lot better than blindly trying one dna-destroying chemo drug after the next, until the patient is wiped out.

If I had cancer, I'd first eliminate all glucose and go on near starvation diet of high nutrient foods, then ingest large quantities of CBD/THC oil + amygdalin. I would do surgery but not chemo or radiation unless it was hodgkin lymphoma or a few other ones that respond well to certain drugs

I've seen cases where a completely new cancer came up after years of chemo. It's dangerous. But so is cancer.Doctors will rightly tell you you're going to die if you do nothing. People get scared into randomly trying chemo drugs.

Food for thought: Amgen pharma famously tried to replicate a large number of cancer drug studies, and failed to replicate the majority of them. They could only replicate a miserable 10% or thereabouts.

Edit: Reference for my claim about Hodgkin Lymphoma: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2847426/

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[–] NeoGoat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Thank you very much! Would say intermittent fasting and 1 day to 1 week fasts might be both prophylactic and slow growth of an existing cancer? Any thoughts on vitamin C?

BTW, one thing I ran across said low protein was important during an anti-cancer fast.

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[–] meowski 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If you're eating anything, it's not really a fast. Just a diet. In mouse studies, they benefit from a single 72 hour fast. Not sure what this translates to in humans but you will definitely be in ketosis after a few days, and after 5-6 days your body will begin recycling old cells. I've done 6 days 2x. It's not for everyone though. Low carb/sugar, high protein (not soy), vitamin/mineral rich, moderate fat intake is probably the best anti-cancer diet we have.

Oh, and some people have reported positive outcomes with high doses of vitamin C, intravenous.

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[–] albatrosv15 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

So basically cancer epidemic is overeating epidemic?

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[–] meowski 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Overweight is certainly a risk factor for cancer but it's not the only cause. Many toxins are stored in fat.

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[–] SRS-Airbag 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Would it be possible to radiate glucose and inject it while thensubject is the middle of a ketogenic diet? The cancer would soak it up.

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[–] HorseIsDead 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

You're describing a non-targeted and severely retarded form of radiation therapy.

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[–] meowski 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Radionuclides would likely end up in other organs leading to more DNA damage and more cancer, so I don't know that this would have any overall benefit.

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[–] Pushtoopen 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Thank you for this! Can you talk further about why a near starvation diet?

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[–] meowski 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's been shown that patients who fast have better outcomes on chemo drugs- up to a point. Obviously you don't want to starve to death.

There are some studies also showing that periods of fasting can regenerate stem cells and rebuild the immune system.

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[–] riposte 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Duh? It’s poison.

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[–] Antifa_Hivemind 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Understandably, the title of this post does not delve into the complexity of WHY this occurs. Most cancers, if given enough time, WILL kill the patient. And unfortunately, because cancer cells are the patient’s own cells gone awry, treatment is incredibly difficult because you have to find a way to kill the cancer cells without killing the patient.

Many effective chemotherapy medications treat cancer by exploiting cancer cells’ increased rate of division. As a general rule, the more aggressive the cancer (i.e. the more rapidly it divides) the more responsive it is to chemotherapy. This is because chemo drugs interrupt mitosis (or the cell division cycle) by either damaging the DNA directly or disrupting the proteins necessary to replicate it. This leaves the cancer cell unable to replicate and it eventually dies.

Indeed, chemo drugs are effective against cancer cells. HOWEVER, they are not specific to cancer cells, and there in lies the problem. They will also damage the DNA of healthy cells too, and this can lead to the development of new cancers.

No one said chemo drugs were ideal treatments. But if given even a remote chance to live just a while longer, I think most patients would take whatever was recommended, even though it carries such high risks.

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[–] gazillions 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

It isn't as if so many studies we operate from are flawed and agenda driven or anything. What could go wrong with revving up media true believers to start judging and shaming cancer victims that opt for chemotherapy as an alternative to certain death?

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[–] 137 3 points 4 points (+7|-3) ago 

And it costs a shit ton of money too!

Doctors: pay us all.of your money so we can kill you!

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[–] PsychoDesign 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

So it's either you die of Chemo or Cancer.

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[–] ginx2666 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yeah, just avoid dying.

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[–] Crux 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

And become immortal.

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[–] followthedolla 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Exactly what happened to my 80y grandma, she was in relatively good health and may have had a few more years in her with the cancer in her armpit just chilling, instead chemo steamrolled her to death in three weeks, official cause of death was a stroke but they can all get fucked for all i care about the official cod.

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[–] HorseIsDead 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

They're not supposed to give old people chemo, you almost never hear of it. At best they get radiation.

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[–] Jagon 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

80 is a good time to die... she already had grandkids, she can die happy, life goes on.

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[–] followthedolla 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

not really my point and not that you're exactly wrong either. its just that without doctors pushing chemo down a frail old ladies throat, who may not understand how tough the treatment is, she may have had a few more peaceful twilight years ahead which i would have gladly granted her.

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