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Oh man, you're playing with fire. I got into a ridiculous argument with a denier on this same article. What's the saying, don't argue with a crazy person or something like that. It's pretty much understood that it is happening and it probably won't be for the better. But with countries like China and India (I know China is trying to clean up, but they have a long way to go), how much can we do? And even aside from that, what about the shipping pollution? I'm all for funding green energy research and more advanced nuclear, but it just seems like the will isn't there.
But with countries like China and India (I know China is trying to clean up, but they have a long way to go), how much can we do?
As certain as westerners are about the hardships of climate change, the hardships of poverty (disease, starvation) are far more real to those in emerging nations. Westerners are far removed from the realities of living on less than 2 dollars a day, and the promise of a climate change disaster is still notional.
You will not convince emerging economies to slow their economic growth.
furthermore focusing on shipping pollution has always seems misguided; there is not more efficient mode of transpiration than shipping. It emits less emissions per ton/mile transported than any other mode of transportation. If you put restrictions on it, more people will start shipping with plane, rail and truck which are more damaging.
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It seems that things are going to get worse before they get better, to me the little we can do as individuals is a blend of drastically reducing our consumption, working on self-reliance and building community. The principles of Permaculture are a good conceptual framework to start thinking about these issues.
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[–] dare_you_to_be_real 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Oh man, you're playing with fire. I got into a ridiculous argument with a denier on this same article. What's the saying, don't argue with a crazy person or something like that. It's pretty much understood that it is happening and it probably won't be for the better. But with countries like China and India (I know China is trying to clean up, but they have a long way to go), how much can we do? And even aside from that, what about the shipping pollution? I'm all for funding green energy research and more advanced nuclear, but it just seems like the will isn't there.
[–] reddfugee43 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
As certain as westerners are about the hardships of climate change, the hardships of poverty (disease, starvation) are far more real to those in emerging nations. Westerners are far removed from the realities of living on less than 2 dollars a day, and the promise of a climate change disaster is still notional.
You will not convince emerging economies to slow their economic growth.
furthermore focusing on shipping pollution has always seems misguided; there is not more efficient mode of transpiration than shipping. It emits less emissions per ton/mile transported than any other mode of transportation. If you put restrictions on it, more people will start shipping with plane, rail and truck which are more damaging.
[–] vicarious ago
It seems that things are going to get worse before they get better, to me the little we can do as individuals is a blend of drastically reducing our consumption, working on self-reliance and building community. The principles of Permaculture are a good conceptual framework to start thinking about these issues.