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[–] can_of_wurms 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Greenpeace hasn't been itself for a long time now. They used to actually do something, like stop whaling boats with their own boats. Now they just do slideshow demos out of binders at the mall. What a waste of humanity.

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[–] chryseos-geckota 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Unless a celebrity musician or actor is involved I won't back anything!

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[–] mutant456 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

GMOs are safe

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[–] theoldguy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

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[–] massiveprivilege 5 points -2 points (+3|-5) ago 

Fuck GMO.

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[–] hambrehombre [S] 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

What makes you know better than 107 Nobel laureates?

2000+ studies have found GMOs to be safe without a single reasonable study otherwise.

Over 240 scientific and health organizations find GMOs to be safe without a credible organization stating otherwise.

Currently, there's a 51% gap between the consensus among scientists and the general public regarding the safety of GMOs. There simply isn't another scientific issue with such a gaping disparity. This disparity is unfortunate, considering GMOs are demonstrated to:

-Increase yield

-Increase farmer profits (especially in developing countries)

-Increase shelf lives (reducing food waste)

-Increase nutrient levels in plants

-Increase tolerance to extreme climate/weather

-Reduce pesticide use

-Reduce fertilizer use

-Reduce irrigation

-Reduce fuel/oil use

-Reduce tilling

-Reduce runoff

-Reduce agricultural land demand

-Reduce CO2 emissions

Collectively, this provides a huge environmental benefit.

With that rhetoric, you're going to look like an anti-vaxxor soon.

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[–] dontvoatboat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

2000+ Imams find Islam to be safe. 100+ Popes find Catholicism to be safe.

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[–] War_Wombat 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Good on you for providing facts to these braindead drones. I think they're worse than the anti-vaxxers; the ecological damage they've done by filibustering GMOs is arguably far worse than the preventable diseases spread by unvaxxinated kids.

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[–] massiveprivilege 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago  (edited ago)

I fully support muricans eating GMO. Just stay the fuck away from the rest of the world and my food.

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[–] rwbj 3 points -3 points (+0|-3) ago 

I can prove beyond a doubt that the site this letter is hosted is intentionally lying in at least one argument, which I think should be sufficient to cast a reasonable doubt on the veracity of their other arguments. This is their piece on "Why Greenpeace is wrong." I was looking for one particular routinely repeated falsehood, and predictably found it. They state:

GMOs are extensively tested and subjected to a higher degree of regulatory review than any other crops and foods. The US regulatory system is described here ...

Go to that page and you'll find even more links, but only one matters. APHIS only applies to modifications of invasive species which almost nobody is doing anyhow. The EPA deals with pesticides which are not GMOs, though they are in practice closely related. The one we're after is the FDA. The link to the FDA again leads to another hoard of links. The real page we're after is listed though: How FDA Regulates Food from Genetically Engineered Plants

Their first sentence sums it all up: We regulate human and animal food from genetically engineered (GE) plants like we regulate all food.

In the US GMOs are not subject to any mandatory additional testing or scrutiny whatsoever. If a company is legally allowed to sell Apples they can invent a genetically engineered apple in a lab, grow it, and sell it with 0 mandatory additional oversight or review. In fact the only program the FDA even offers is a purely voluntary consultation period. The statement from that site is a clear lie - not even an omission of truth or misdirection. This would have been about a half dozen hours work to refute a single sentence and link. It's no wonder that the vast majority of people formulate their opinions on this topic based on emotion and propaganda as opposed to actually trying to dig into the details themselves.

Just a friendly reminder to be somewhat questioning when a site provides information in terms of claims followed by a million links. Those links don't necessarily say what the person or group claims they're saying does. But they leave the onus of proving them false on the reader. An onus individuals or groups wanting to deceive others know almost nobody will take it upon themselves to carry out. I think showing that one link clearly does not state what they claim it does ought be sufficient to cast doubt on the rest of their links and claims as they're clearly more interested in presenting a one-sided view than navigating the far more nuanced situation that is reality.

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[–] rhy 5 points -3 points (+2|-5) ago 

107 shills for Monsanto.

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[–] hambrehombre [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

There are thousands of international studies supporting GMOs, hundreds of science and health organizations, and many surveys. Collectively, this represents tens of thousands of international scientists.

How did Monsanto, a company the size of Toys R Us, manage to pay off tens of thousands of global scientists who were willing to sacrifice global health, their careers, and reputations to make a few bucks--all without a single dissenter? Take off your tinfoil hat, man.

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[–] dontvoatboat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Easy, you make it an official ideology of academia. You get on the payroll by towing the line, theres no direct shilling going on most people scientists included are just trying to make money.

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[–] rhy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

No tinfoil here. Monsanto has been caught in every evil scheme imaginable, and their end game is likely an attempt to taint all life on the planet with their GMO genes and then claim patent rights on all living things. There are even leaked internal documents that outline that specifically.

If you are OK with Monsanto, you are crazy frankly. Their history is almost unimaginably evil.

Go YouTube Monsanto and watch a few documentaries, then come back and try to justify their existence, much less their tainting of the food chain with poison producing genes.

There are numerous studies that show animals having consumed some of their GMO crops begin producing poison within the animal directly.

RoundUp is a crazy poison. And some of these animals are creating it in their own intestines after a single GMO feeding.

If you think that is safe, you are nuts.

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